Lawsuit filed for illegal stop of Ohio open carrier

[carmen fovozzo]

Glock smith. That works both ways doesn't it ? Do you think one is more then the other ?

[Brian D.]

One important distinction to be made is that we only know of reported incidents of misconduct. There probably are more examples of misconduct which happen on the street, but do not get challenged...and therefore, they don't make it to the courtroom, they don't get reported on in the media, and they don't make it into the official statistics.

This I know to be true. Years ago when I was one of the first of many to start filing complaints against a particular police officer, I closely followed what happened afterwards. Got on decent terms with one of the Internal Affairs types doing the investigation because he'd found me to be truthful, and he wanted to return the favor by showing me that indeed, the department was taking the problem seriously.

When the investigators started asking merchants, etc. in the bad apple's patrol area they got feedback which confirmed that the officer was engaged in a pattern of bad behavior. More than one or two of those people wouldn't have come forward to complain on their own, they had been intimidated by the rogue officer's demeanor and temperament.

What annoyed me was that the Internal Investigations guys got very little help from the bad cop's coworkers until very late in the game. By then they knew he was a sinking ship and wanted no more part of him.

[tbrew85]

And what do you do when that happens ?

I defend myself, and extricate myself from the immediate situation, without striking them in retaliation. And I have restrained people in the act of defending myself, (without choking them to death). Oh trust me, there have been many times that retaliation was difficult to refrain from. But I was able to control myself. And so have my coworkers, without fail.

[MyWifeSaidYes]

And then he puts them on the sponge bath schedule with Bruno and the brillo pad.

[schmieg]

And then he puts them on the sponge bath schedule with Bruno and the brillo pad.

Don't forget the enema order.

[carmen fovozzo]

I would think the majority of your patients would not be criminals....Am I correct on that ? In your profession we hear a lot about bad-conduct and abuses happening....I am sure they are the minority and not the majority..Like for instance in LE......don't you agree ?

[glocksmith]

Glock smith. That works both ways doesn't it ? Do you think one is more then the other ?

I'm not sure what "both ways" means Carmen. All I meant to say is that we should'nt rely on the stats as a representative measure of police misconduct. Many people - and BrianD touched on this - don't report incidents. They don't report them for a variety of reasons - they're afraid to, they're ignorant of the law, or even because they're so relieved to walk away from an encounter. I'd bet that for every one which receives publicity, several more have gone unreported.

[carmen fovozzo]

No doubt..

[tbrew85]

And then he puts them on the sponge bath schedule with Bruno and the brillo pad.

[tbrew85]

I think a lot of people are jealous of Police Officer's...Jealous of their authority. Jealous of their powers...I envy police officers....

The people that bash LEOS and never have anything good to say about them for reason they may of gotten a ticket or what ever..they are jealous of that authority..they recent the fact that LEOS have the power to reach into their pockets...when they break the law.....I envy LEOS because I know what they have to go through while on duty....Have you ever been spit in your face or kicked in the balls and held your composure and did not retaliate ? I haven't.....I envy a person with those traits....

My Son is a LEO....I do have some personal knowledge on the subject.....Don't form your opinion of all LEOS by what you see on the 5:00 o'clock. All the media is looking for are ratings...Let's see some good stuff.....oh wait...that's boring...

Carmen, my comment was in response to the above post. I’m saying it absolutely is possible to refrain from "retaliation", your words not mine, when done wrong by someone that you are forced to contend with because of the profession that you have chosen. The difference is, I’m EXPECTED to refrain from retaliation, and I know the consequences if I don’t. I will be unemployed, and the prospects of working again in my profession would be greatly reduced. The same expectations and consequences are not the same for most LEO.

And yes, most (not all) of those that I deal with that exhibit the behaviors you mentioned are either criminals or mentally ill. Sane people don’t behave that way.

And yes, I agree wholeheartedly that in both professions, the "bad apples" are a minority. One profession aggressively attempts to weed out the "bad apples", the other seems to aggressively protect them.

[MyWifeSaidYes]

I've had no fewer than 15 'official' interactions with police in my life. Most of these were traffic stops.

While two of these officers were curt with me, none were any less than professional. Most were even friendly.

I reported none of them.

[carmen fovozzo]

No they don't....in most cases...How about Doctors in a operating situation ? He or she screws up in the OR and how many of his assistants cover it up ? If you don't your black balled...It happens everywhere.....Don't single out LE....Don't you stick up for your co-workers now and then ?

Have you ever been spit on and not retaliate ? I haven't.............I retaliated when spit on....

[carmen fovozzo]

I've had no fewer than 15 'official' interactions with police in my life. Most of these were traffic stops.

While two of these officers were curt with me, none were any less than professional. Most were even friendly.

I reported none of them.

Driving to fast in the LEFT lane ?

[tbrew85]

No they don't....in most cases...How about Doctors in a operating situation ? He or she screws up in the OR and how many of his assistants cover it up ? If you don't your black balled...It happens everywhere.....Don't single out LE....Don't you stick up for your co-workers now and then ?

Have you ever been spit on and not retaliate ? I haven't.............I retaliated when spit on....

No, I would not stick up for them if they are dangerous or criminal.

And as far as being "black balled" Maybe you know something about the medical profession I dont. Ive personally never heard of anyone being black balled for reporting a medical error.

I have been spit on, and I did not retaliate. I wanted to, but I didnt. Again, I know what the consequences would be in my profession.

[MyWifeSaidYes]

I've had no fewer than 15 'official' interactions with police in my life. Most of these were traffic stops.

While two of these officers were curt with me, none were any less than professional. Most were even friendly.

I reported none of them.

Driving to fast in the LEFT lane ?

Left lane. Right lane. Shoulder. Median. Sidewalk. Any mostly flat surface...mostly.