Daycare/churches & avoiding "half-concealed" carry

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Daycare/churches & avoiding "half-concealed" carry

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I normally concealed carry; however, sometimes I find myself at a day care or church (and nearly every church I've been in is legally a daycare in terms of concealed carry).

My understanding is that open carry is legal in a day care or church. (If this is incorrect, please advise--but I can't find anything in ORC prohibiting this!)

The most common scenario is that I am doing various kinds of volunteer work late at night--for example, setting up expensive sound equipment or tearing it down around midnight at a church. Thus open carry is a non-issue. Same goes for day cares.

With that in mind, what are guidelines to ensure I am properly openly carrying and not accidentally concealed carrying? My understanding is that using an IWB holster is a no-go. I currently only use IWB holsters. In the event of a MWAG call, I want to be unambiguously open carrying.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that open carry is NOT legal in a day care facility in Ohio. I could be wrong, but...........
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pirateguy191 wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that open carry is NOT legal in a day care facility in Ohio. I could be wrong, but...........
2923.126(B)(7) specifically addresses concealed carry in daycare centers; I don't see a blanket prohibition against any other forms of carry in daycare centers.
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Our church has a child worship center..it's not "day care" and only is used on Sunday. I think it would fall under house of worship and then be subject to the pastor's permission. Just from our initial planning for the safety team, OC wouldn't be tolerated by either the pastor or elders.
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jabeatty wrote:
pirateguy191 wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that open carry is NOT legal in a day care facility in Ohio. I could be wrong, but...........
2923.126(B)(7) specifically addresses concealed carry in daycare centers; I don't see a blanket prohibition against any other forms of carry in daycare centers.
I guess that is correct.
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jabeatty wrote:
pirateguy191 wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that open carry is NOT legal in a day care facility in Ohio. I could be wrong, but...........
2923.126(B)(7) specifically addresses concealed carry in daycare centers; I don't see a blanket prohibition against any other forms of carry in daycare centers.
This raises the same thorny question as non-enumerated government buildings ...

2923.126 does not address open carry; it merely says that a CHL does not grant the privilege to concealed carry in the places designated therein.

By the same token, 2923.1212 requires that both non-enumerated government buildings and day-care centers post the standardized sign: "Unless otherwise authorized by law, pursuant to the Ohio Revised Code, no person shall knowingly possess, have under the person's control, convey, or attempt to convey a deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance onto these premises."

Although there is no penalty section under that statute, there is a strong argument that the posted notice could be enforced under R.C. 2911.21(A)(2) as Criminal Trespass. However, what if the people in charge of the day-care center or non-enumerated government building choose not to pursue a violation of the sign as Criminal Trespass? Are they allowed to permit open carry despite being required by law to post that sign?

Such a question could be posed to the Ohio Attorney General for an opinion. And I know how that might be facilitated. The even thornier question is: Do we really want to know what the Ohio Attorney General has to say about it?
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Not to hijack the thread, but where does the law draw the line between daycare and school, and where do preschools fall?

I ask because there are a lot of churches that rent space to preschools.
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Werz wrote:
jabeatty wrote:
pirateguy191 wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that open carry is NOT legal in a day care facility in Ohio. I could be wrong, but...........
2923.126(B)(7) specifically addresses concealed carry in daycare centers; I don't see a blanket prohibition against any other forms of carry in daycare centers.
Such a question could be posed to the Ohio Attorney General for an opinion. And I know how that might be facilitated. The even thornier question is: Do we really want to know what the Ohio Attorney General has to say about it?

How friendly is the A.G. to our side? I seem to remember hearing that he is not so much on the side of those who carry a firearm.
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TJW815 wrote:
How friendly is the A.G. to our side? I seem to remember hearing that he is not so much on the side of those who carry a firearm.
He claims to have seen the light since being removed as a Senator..
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pleasantguywhopacks wrote:
TJW815 wrote:
How friendly is the A.G. to our side? I seem to remember hearing that he is not so much on the side of those who carry a firearm.
He claims to have seen the light since being removed as a Senator..
I don't know that li'l Mikey is so much pro-gun as maybe just not exactly anti-gun.
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NavyChief wrote:
pleasantguywhopacks wrote:
TJW815 wrote:
How friendly is the A.G. to our side? I seem to remember hearing that he is not so much on the side of those who carry a firearm.
He claims to have seen the light since being removed as a Senator..
I don't know that li'l Mikey is so much pro-gun as maybe just not exactly anti-gun.
Let's be honest about this ...

Some public officials, especially in areas like mine, may actually want to allow people to openly carry firearms in government buildings. However, we all know that if such open carry is allowed, other public officials - particularly in urban areas - will go absolutely ballistic.

The Ohio Attorney General knows that, too.
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Seems that there is a simple solution to this one. Allow us to Concealed Carry. ;-)
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techguy85 wrote:Seems that there is a simple solution to this one. Allow us to Concealed Carry. ;-)
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Werz wrote:
NavyChief wrote:
pleasantguywhopacks wrote: He claims to have seen the light since being removed as a Senator..
I don't know that li'l Mikey is so much pro-gun as maybe just not exactly anti-gun.
Let's be honest about this ...

Some public officials, especially in areas like mine, may actually want to allow people to openly carry firearms in government buildings. However, we all know that if such open carry is allowed, other public officials - particularly in urban areas - will go absolutely ballistic.

The Ohio Attorney General knows that, too.

So, if the question was posed to him, what do you thinks he would say? Think it would be a straight answer :roll:
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