I had arrived at the same conclusion, but wasn't going to post it because I thought surely there was something I was missing somewhere.BobK wrote:There is the answer I was driving towards.jabeatty wrote:Job applications for the place specify the City of Kettering as the employer...schmieg wrote:Who runs the place? If it's the city and city employees are there on a regular basis performing their jobs, it is a statutory CPZ and no one should be carrying there, drinking or not.
However, note that the topic is "Open Carry Scenario". R.C. 2926.126 only prohibits concealed carry in government buildings.
Thus, I would say that people with an Ohio License to Carry a Concealed Handgun are the only non-LEO people allowed to open carry in this government-operated, Class D facility. If they drink while doing so, that is a felony.
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The ORC says you can't be under the influence and be armed, regardless of open or concealed, or CHL status:
Having said that, put a wristband on the adult and get on with your job.
You might not think having a single sip of alcohol would be be considered "under the influence". That will be up to the judge or jury to decide, but the LEO and prosecutor can still put you up in the graybar hotel if they get a whiff of alcohol on your breath.ORC 2923.15 Using weapons while intoxicated.
(A) No person, while under the influence of alcohol or any drug of abuse, shall carry or use any firearm or dangerous ordnance.
(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of using weapons while intoxicated, a misdemeanor of the first degree.
Having said that, put a wristband on the adult and get on with your job.
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LOL!jabeatty wrote:If he has a cannon on his hip, he's probably going to need treatment for crush injuries - call your med team and don't worry about the alcohol issue.
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If this is an outdoor pavilion then the only way you'd run into trouble is if you carried in any buildings (other than stand-alone restrooms). The fact that they put a fence around it doesn't make it a government facility within the meaning of 2926.126. It seems that since the law director agreed that the signs needed to come off the gates the city feels that way too. Their policy on the website of "no firearms unless allowed by applicable law" sounds like an attempt to get most people to think that guns are prohibited while keeping the city out of hot water if someone in the know challenges them. The actions of the law director speak volumes.
Back to the OP's original question. It's generally best to leave matters of armed individuals committing felonies to law enforcement. I presume there's at least a few off duties working security for ticketed events and I also presume that the gate personnel have a way of contacting them.
Back to the OP's original question. It's generally best to leave matters of armed individuals committing felonies to law enforcement. I presume there's at least a few off duties working security for ticketed events and I also presume that the gate personnel have a way of contacting them.
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FIREARMS ARE PROHIBITED UNLESS PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW!
So you can conceal carry with a ccw and not drinking at the Fraze event??? I'm confused about the UNLESS PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW!
So you can conceal carry with a ccw and not drinking at the Fraze event??? I'm confused about the UNLESS PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW!
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Quote from the Fraze Pavilion website FAQ:
"WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN FRAZE PAVILION?
For the safety and security of all patrons, the following items are NOT permitted: weapons (including knives), firearms (unless permitted by applicable law), alcoholic beverages, animals, cans, bottles or other beverage containers, coolers, outside food, cameras, camcorders, recording devices, signs & posters (including handmade ones), fireworks, laser pointers, lawn chairs, beach chairs, stadium seats, skateboards, bicycles, picnic baskets, strollers, umbrellas, bug spray in aerosol cans or any other item deemed dangerous or inappropriate."
Clear as mud, eh? Definitely open to interpretation, but I would not have a problem CC'ing there (without imbibing, of course).
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"WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN FRAZE PAVILION?
For the safety and security of all patrons, the following items are NOT permitted: weapons (including knives), firearms (unless permitted by applicable law), alcoholic beverages, animals, cans, bottles or other beverage containers, coolers, outside food, cameras, camcorders, recording devices, signs & posters (including handmade ones), fireworks, laser pointers, lawn chairs, beach chairs, stadium seats, skateboards, bicycles, picnic baskets, strollers, umbrellas, bug spray in aerosol cans or any other item deemed dangerous or inappropriate."
Clear as mud, eh? Definitely open to interpretation, but I would not have a problem CC'ing there (without imbibing, of course).
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Re: Open Carry Scenario and Alcohol
Since you are allowed to OC as an adult, then wouldn't this be covered by " firearms (unless permitted by applicable law)"?
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