I think this is very common. People in school can go over material for 4 weeks off and on and still miss a couple of questions on a test.... with the CHL course you have ten hours of instruction and if you don't remember something right for your "real life test" it could land you in jail. Hardly anyone will remember everything from one course if they don't do some research on their own.carmen fovozzo wrote:My wife just took her class and we were talking about some of the things the instructor said..
She misinterpreted 3 very common things for CC...I corrected her....There is no way the instructor gave the wrong info...
I believe this goes on quite a bit with people that attend class and can't recall all the info that is thrown at you in the 10 hour class...
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Re: Open Carry with CCW
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Since my first post, I have spoken with the Assistant Prosecutor for Franklin County who has also taught in OPOTA (Ohio Peace Officer Training Academy - better known to some as police academy). He assures me that open carry is good to go for all liberties of conceal carry. I would say more but not sure it is in the best interest of national security if you know what I mean.
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Respectfully, we don't need his opinion to tell us it's legal. You dont give up your right to walk or ride a bicycle when you get a drivers license. To assume you would give up OC when you obtain a CHL is absurd.
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Your point may be well taken that we don't need the prosecutor's opinion with regard to what is legal. However, it is indeed encouraging to learn that:FlyinCedar wrote: Respectfully, we don't need his opinion to tell us it's legal. You dont give up your right to walk or ride a bicycle when you get a drivers license. To assume you would give up OC when you obtain a CHL is absurd.
1) a Franklin country prosecutor is well aware that open carry is legal (and thus won't be peremptorily challenged), and
2) that, with any luck at all, this may be being taught at the OPOTA.
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I'd even add to your point number 1 a bit, and note that not only is he well aware of the legality of open carry, but he goes so far as to make the effort to insert such language directly into the pamphlet for Concealed Carry, so that anybody who reads it can see it right there in no uncertain terms.TunnelRat wrote:Your point may be well taken that we don't need the prosecutor's opinion with regard to what is legal. However, it is indeed encouraging to learn that:FlyinCedar wrote: Respectfully, we don't need his opinion to tell us it's legal. You dont give up your right to walk or ride a bicycle when you get a drivers license. To assume you would give up OC when you obtain a CHL is absurd.
1) a Franklin country prosecutor is well aware that open carry is legal (and thus won't be peremptorily challenged), and
2) that, with any luck at all, this may be being taught at the OPOTA.
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While Roger's and my personalities would probably clash if we spent much time talking, his class is EXCEPTIONAL! The only complaint I had was that there were so many "what if" questions from students that we dragged on for at least an extra hour. Mr. Polk NEVER states that open carry is not allowed after receiving a CCW permit, just his opinion of it and he made it VERY clear that it was just his opinion... and perhaps that of the Medina Co. sheriff in attendance but the exact conversation escapes me. It just floors me, all the negative comments against Mr. Polk from people who have never taken his class or even talked to the man! I was in the Jan 2012 class that put his number of students over 2000. If he were doing badly, he would never have reached that number of students. I highly reccommend that anyone within an hour drive of the Medina area looking to take the class for CCW, check his out!
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Two thumbs up for Roger Polk from me. I took his class in the fall / winter of 2010 and would highly recommend him to anyone considering a class. He is very thorough and has law enforcement guests that are part of the class. I might go back some time for a refresher even though it is not required.
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Not to be construed as an opinion, but are there any more 1 post posters who wish to compliment Mr. Polk?
P.S. - BB62 has an awesome class!
P.S. - BB62 has an awesome class!
Yes, I do believe in open carry. An openly armed man is clear in his intentions. Concealed carriers are sneaks and skulkers and elitist, boot licking, political contribution making, running dog lackies of The Man. <wink> (thx grumpycoconut - OpenCarry.org)
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The Franklin County Prosecutor's Office does not create the pamphlet; the Ohio Attorney General's Office does. And mention of open carry is scant:GhostOfJefferson wrote:I'd even add to your point number 1 a bit, and note that not only is he well aware of the legality of open carry, but he goes so far as to make the effort to insert such language directly into the pamphlet for Concealed Carry, so that anybody who reads it can see it right there in no uncertain terms.TunnelRat wrote:Your point may be well taken that we don't need the prosecutor's opinion with regard to what is legal. However, it is indeed encouraging to learn that:FlyinCedar wrote: Respectfully, we don't need his opinion to tell us it's legal. You dont give up your right to walk or ride a bicycle when you get a drivers license. To assume you would give up OC when you obtain a CHL is absurd.
1) a Franklin country prosecutor is well aware that open carry is legal (and thus won't be peremptorily challenged), and
2) that, with any luck at all, this may be being taught at the OPOTA.
You'll look long and hard before you find an Ohio law enforcement agency which officially encourages open carry.Open Carry
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Short and sweet is all that's necessary. Let 'em get going and they'll eventually begin to include the inevitable legal-speak disclaimers.Werz wrote: And mention of open carry is scant:
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The Instructor should have his credentials pulled for spouting that erroneous garbage.
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I have had my license from the first they were issued. Not from Roger. My wife took Rogers class and I attended as a guest. V.ery good class. I looked through her notes an on the subject of OC me mentioned that he OC around his property and that OC without a CHL is illegal in a car. I went to another of his classes with the wife of my neighbor and recall hearing about the same thing.
As has been said there is a lot to learn in a long class and people hearing some of these things may not get it quite right.
As has been said there is a lot to learn in a long class and people hearing some of these things may not get it quite right.
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Since you resurrected an old thread, I'll roll with it ...fireball wrote:... that OC without a CHL is illegal in a car. I went to another of his classes with the wife of my neighbor and recall hearing about the same thing.
Are you implying that assertion is true or false?
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon
"Remember that protecting our gun rights still boils down to keeping a majority in the electorate, and that our daily activities can have the impact of being ambassadors for the gun culture ..."
-- BobK
Open carry is a First Amendment exercise.
-- Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon
"Remember that protecting our gun rights still boils down to keeping a majority in the electorate, and that our daily activities can have the impact of being ambassadors for the gun culture ..."
-- BobK
Open carry is a First Amendment exercise.
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To all those who like to bash Roger Polk and try to slay his reputation,
Roger cares enough about anyone to offer a class to get your CCW without making a dime on it. All of the money you pay is going for the materials required for you to get your CCW. He is reputable and a certified instructor. Its aggravating to look him up and see this foolish talk about him. Talk that started from one person who wasn't paying attention in his class about open carry, then immediately coming to forums and stirring the pot. aside from that is the people who will jump on board and instantly speak of revoking his instructors license all based one one person who doesn't pay attention. Shame on you.
Aside from the negativity, if anyone is looking into getting there CCW, I would highly recommend Roger. He goes over everything in great detail and will not move on until everyone is on the same page and understanding. Any amount of help will be provided, from the law itself, to the handling of your firearm. He actually works in accordance to Buckeye Firearms to add, change, and remove the stupid laws. He will teach you the law and is very opinionated. All he is doing is trying to help. But at the end of the day, everyone has opinions and you need to think for yourself to find what works best for you. If you pay attention, I promise you will learn a lot and have a good time.
Just wanted to share my thoughts and opinions. I apologize if I offended anyone, as that is the last thing I want to do. I just hope we can not be so hasty to jump into things without knowing the facts. Take care all and protect your family and your rights!
Roger cares enough about anyone to offer a class to get your CCW without making a dime on it. All of the money you pay is going for the materials required for you to get your CCW. He is reputable and a certified instructor. Its aggravating to look him up and see this foolish talk about him. Talk that started from one person who wasn't paying attention in his class about open carry, then immediately coming to forums and stirring the pot. aside from that is the people who will jump on board and instantly speak of revoking his instructors license all based one one person who doesn't pay attention. Shame on you.
Aside from the negativity, if anyone is looking into getting there CCW, I would highly recommend Roger. He goes over everything in great detail and will not move on until everyone is on the same page and understanding. Any amount of help will be provided, from the law itself, to the handling of your firearm. He actually works in accordance to Buckeye Firearms to add, change, and remove the stupid laws. He will teach you the law and is very opinionated. All he is doing is trying to help. But at the end of the day, everyone has opinions and you need to think for yourself to find what works best for you. If you pay attention, I promise you will learn a lot and have a good time.
Just wanted to share my thoughts and opinions. I apologize if I offended anyone, as that is the last thing I want to do. I just hope we can not be so hasty to jump into things without knowing the facts. Take care all and protect your family and your rights!
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Apparently...BB62 wrote:Not to be construed as an opinion, but are there any more 1 post posters who wish to compliment Mr. Polk?
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"Applying the standard that is well established in our case law, we hold that the Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States." ~ McDonald v. Chicago
When your only tools are a hammer and sickle, every problem starts to look like too much freedom.
"Applying the standard that is well established in our case law, we hold that the Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States." ~ McDonald v. Chicago
When your only tools are a hammer and sickle, every problem starts to look like too much freedom.