Northwood LEO breaks OC'ers D/L in half

tjeffries · Post by **tjeffries** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:16 am

muxtech wrote:
GroundChuk wrote:Hate to say it, but I don't think this will go anywhere.
I'll take that bet. I hope Northwood has ample parking.

I've got plenty of rope

Mr. Holiday · Post by **Mr. Holiday** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:56 am

Maybe you can send this article to the Chief as well. Maybe He'll believe a "big city newspaper".

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/co ... ml?sid=101

Beekeeper · Post by **Beekeeper** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:19 am

This abuse has to stop. I'm going to get me a voice recorder, and carry it.

Teknorat · Post by **Teknorat** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:38 am

Beekeeper wrote:This abuse has to stop. I'm going to get me a voice recorder, and carry it.

Ditto I bought one today.

Pops Fun · Post by **Pops Fun** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:11 am

This is getting ridiculous. Officers are trained to take charge of situations which does make them somewhat aggressive. But flaunting the law is terrible.
I am glad there are orig. like this one.

rottman43055 · Post by **rottman43055** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:16 am

I noticed in the Columbus dispatch link a sgt says if your gun is causeing panic you may be charged.

I really hope they OAG does step in & notify LE across the board.

Post by **evan price** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:57 am

If your open display of a firearm is causing panic, you could be charged with inducing panic, Weiner said.

I'd like to see just one charge of inducing panic on a peaceful law abiding OC'er to see this get to court and get the slapping it deserves.

2917.31 Inducing panic.
(A) No person shall cause the evacuation of any public place, or otherwise cause serious public inconvenience or alarm, by doing any of the following:

(1) Initiating or circulating a report or warning of an alleged or impending fire, explosion, crime, or other catastrophe, knowing that such report or warning is false;

(2) Threatening to commit any offense of violence;

(3) Committing any offense, with reckless disregard of the likelihood that its commission will cause serious public inconvenience or alarm.

1 = making a false report, such as shouting fire in a theatre. Nope, that won't work.
2 = Making a threat. Pistol in holster, not causing any issue. Nope, that won't fit...
3 = Comitting an offense with reckless disregard..etc... I could see this, if the OC'er was waving his pistol around and acting like a fool. But it says "Serious public inconvenience or alarm". Again, we're talking a legally carried pistol, holstered. Serious public inconvenience or alarm? Nope, not there either, or else cops would have to carry concealed for fear of panicking the sheeple!

muxtech · Post by **muxtech** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:08 am

rottman43055 wrote:I noticed in the Columbus dispatch link a sgt says if your gun is causing panic you may be charged.

Why are off duty LEO's always the ones panicking and calling in the goons? We the people don't seem as panic prone.

WBL_2006 · Post by **WBL_2006** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:14 am

(3) Committing any offense, with reckless disregard of the likelihood that its commission will cause serious public inconvenience or alarm.

I could see this one being the "hamartia" of an open carrier. All it could take would be for a "group" of people to say they were "worried" or "scared" or "felt like he might go nuts and start shooting" and that would probably be enough to seal the deal.

Not saying it is likely to happen, but I can see how this portion could be trouble.

Why are off duty LEO's always the ones panicking and calling in the goons?

I have no problem with an off duty LEO calling it in or even asking a few questions. It is their job. But being unprofessional, mis-informed, and a general bung-hole is crossing the line in most cases.

WBL

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:28 am

WBL_2006 wrote:I have no problem with an off duty LEO calling it in...

You have no problem calling the police when there is no suspicion or evidence that a crime has been committed?

tep0583 · Post by **tep0583** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:37 am

muxtech wrote:
GroundChuk wrote:Hate to say it, but I don't think this will go anywhere.
I'll take that bet. I hope Northwood has ample parking.

I hope you're right, but I seriously doubt any policy change will be effected from anything short of a court proceeding. I highly doubt they will listen to reason under any other circumstances.

Post by **OldManTod** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:38 am

Michael wrote:
WBL_2006 wrote:I have no problem with an off duty LEO calling it in...
You have no problem calling the police when there is no suspicion or evidence that a crime has been committed?

Not all people who have a pistola in their hand or in a holster are taking daughters for ice cream or simply "chillin" - inasmuch as we all think it is the norm, we have ALOT of perspectives to soften up.

The severity of panic is obviously an individual reaction and while nobody should have a problem with a call being made (power to the people), that is where the LEO have to "be different" - beginning with the dispatcher - they need to do a better job of ascertaining the situation.

I do agree that it is abhorrent that there could be a real crime being committed and this silliness is being attended to because 1) some folks dont know their laws or 2) us common folks shouldnt be carrying a firearm like that, after all, we had to the academy to be able to carry one.

CableGuy · Post by **CableGuy** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:53 am

Where is this Northwood? I mapquested it seen 3 different spots, 2 up north, one in Wood Conty ouside Toledo and one in Logan County just north of Bellfountaine, the other in Lawernce Co over by West Virginia border... and Willowick showing that its north east of Cleveland, also up at the north end of the state? Sorry, if I missed it....curious

If I am to assume correctly and go with the Toldeo near Oregon? OK>>> whats up with those people up there... And of course Cleveland....ok you Browns fans, no flames!

Am I correct? Both North end of state?

fisher · Post by **fisher** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:07 am

Mr. Holiday wrote:Maybe you can send this article to the Chief as well. Maybe He'll believe a "big city newspaper".

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/co ... ml?sid=101

How about this little article from Police Chiefs Magazine :

http://policechiefmagazine.org/magazine ... _id=122005

Because it is legal in most states to carry a handgun if properly licensed, a report that an individual possesses a handgun, without any additional information suggesting criminal activity, might not create reasonable suspicion that a crime is being or will be committed.1 Where simply carrying a handgun is not in itself illegal and does not constitute probable cause to arrest,2 it follows that carrying a handgun, in and of itself, does not furnish reasonable suspicion justifying a Terry stop.

WBL_2006 · Post by **WBL_2006** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:19 am

You have no problem calling the police when there is no suspicion or evidence that a crime has been committed?

Nope. If it is indeed an officer, it is part of their job.

If it is an everyday "Joe" or "Jane", they have the right also. It is then the responsibility of LE to respond accordingly. As a result of some unfortunate events lately, maybe now the LE folks will respond in a more civil manner if at all. (Wishful thinking, I know).

WBL