Kettering softball park, Dayton

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Kettering softball park, Dayton

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Was at my granddaughters ball game and noticed the ball park is posted "No Firearms". I assume this is owned by the city of Dayton which would mean taxpayer funded. Is the city reluctant in correcting the signage or is this correct?
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If it is owned by the city, then it can't be posted - but I know some of the ball fields near me are actually owned by companies (Pepsi being one of them) and they can post.

So, first thing to do is find out who owns the field. If it is city-owned, it may be that they've never corrected the signage, and may never have been notified that the signage is not permitted.
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JustaShooter wrote:
So, first thing to do is find out who owns the field. If it is city-owned, it may be that they've never corrected the signage, and may never have been notified that the signage is not permitted.
The latter possibility hints at a really stupid Law Director. Yeah, stupid and unfit to be an attorney.
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Brian D. wrote:
JustaShooter wrote:
So, first thing to do is find out who owns the field. If it is city-owned, it may be that they've never corrected the signage, and may never have been notified that the signage is not permitted.
The latter possibility hints at a really stupid Law Director. Yeah, stupid and unfit to be an attorney.
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JustaShooter wrote:
Brian D. wrote:
JustaShooter wrote:
So, first thing to do is find out who owns the field. If it is city-owned, it may be that they've never corrected the signage, and may never have been notified that the signage is not permitted.
The latter possibility hints at a really stupid Law Director. Yeah, stupid and unfit to be an attorney.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^ Exactly

And doesn't the city of Dayton, if I recall, have an "attitude" regarding such issues?
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Just throwing out a question for some clarification: What about carrying in a city owned park or ball field if there is some type of scholastic sporting event taking place?
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CroManGun wrote:Just throwing out a question for some clarification: What about carrying in a city owned park or ball field if there is some type of scholastic sporting event taking place?
Gray area, but most feel that as long as you are not "attending" the event you are OK. At least that is how I see it!
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Cruiser wrote:
CroManGun wrote:Just throwing out a question for some clarification: What about carrying in a city owned park or ball field if there is some type of scholastic sporting event taking place?
Gray area, but most feel that as long as you are not "attending" the event you are OK. At least that is how I see it!
If it is a K-12 school activity, I would avoid the area the activity is taking place, but wouldn't worry about being in a different part of the park or a different ball field in the same complex. Others may be more (or less) risk-averse.
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The 1,000 foot rule would still apply.
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curmudgeon3 wrote:The 1,000 foot rule would still apply.
Explain that please. :shock: And how it applies to a Park. Should be interesting.
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Cruiser wrote:
curmudgeon3 wrote:The 1,000 foot rule would still apply.
Explain that please. :shock: And how it applies to a Park.
Logic. How close to the kids school activity at the park would still be legal while carrying ? :|
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curmudgeon3 wrote:The 1,000 foot rule would still apply.
I don't believe so. 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(25) states:
(25)The term “school zone” means—
(A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or
(B) within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school.
For the purposes of the Federal Gun-Free School Zones act, the 1,000 feet appears to apply only to the above and not to "school activities" taking place outside of those locations.
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DontTreadOnMe wrote:
curmudgeon3 wrote:The 1,000 foot rule would still apply.
I don't believe so. 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(25) states:
(25)The term “school zone” means—
(A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or
(B) within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school.
For the purposes of the Federal Gun-Free School Zones act, the 1,000 feet appears to apply only to the above and not to "school activities" taking place outside of those locations.
Should have known, logic and the law are not always compatible. I couldn't find anything pertaining to firearms at school activities off school premises. (a-s-s-u-m-e). :oops:
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DontTreadOnMe wrote:
curmudgeon3 wrote:The 1,000 foot rule would still apply.
I don't believe so. 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(25) states:
(25)The term “school zone” means—
(A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or
(B) within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school.
For the purposes of the Federal Gun-Free School Zones act, the 1,000 feet appears to apply only to the above and not to "school activities" taking place outside of those locations.
And then there is the part about the 1000 ft. law not applying to us that have our CHL. :)
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Cruiser wrote: And then there is the part about the 1000 ft. law not applying to us that have our CHL. :)
Just to clarify: Ohio CHL and Ohio school. Out of state concealed carry license is not included in the protection from the law.
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