New GB Sign ....
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New GB Sign ....
So one of my customers replaced their standard GB sign (ie no concealed....) with this sign...
So at first glance, it's like a partial win for CHL holders...
- though still targeting OC (OK, they just don't want to SEE it)
but the infamous slashed gun and the "Except for Law Enforcement..." on the bottom has got me wondering.
I'm thinking I'd go with "concealed means concealed" and if nobody sees it, we're good to go.
- but if you look at the rest of the sign... are they really "No Gun except LEO"?
Then there is the grey area of "printing" or an accidental "flash"
- do you become an "accidental tresspass"
Anybody got any other thoughts?
So at first glance, it's like a partial win for CHL holders...
- though still targeting OC (OK, they just don't want to SEE it)
but the infamous slashed gun and the "Except for Law Enforcement..." on the bottom has got me wondering.
I'm thinking I'd go with "concealed means concealed" and if nobody sees it, we're good to go.
- but if you look at the rest of the sign... are they really "No Gun except LEO"?
Then there is the grey area of "printing" or an accidental "flash"
- do you become an "accidental tresspass"
Anybody got any other thoughts?
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Re: New GB Sign ....
The way I see it, open or concealed carry OK for LE. Concealed carry for everyone else. As far as printing or a flash, I wouldn't waste any time worrying about it. I've had people tell me I'm printing when my cellphone case flips open.
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Re: New GB Sign ....
That's the way I see it, 'cepting for the cellphone case.CroManGun wrote:The way I see it, open or concealed carry OK for LE. Concealed carry for everyone else. As far as printing or a flash, I wouldn't waste any time worrying about it. I've had people tell me I'm printing when my cellphone case flips open.
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Re: New GB Sign ....
It's pretty clear from the wording "Open Carry Of Firearms" --- that concealed carry would be ok.
I'm a believer that people mean what they say and say what they mean when it's printed. If you didn't want ANY guns, concealed or otherwise, then say so. What they said was, no "Open" carry. So I wouldn't do that.
I'm a believer that people mean what they say and say what they mean when it's printed. If you didn't want ANY guns, concealed or otherwise, then say so. What they said was, no "Open" carry. So I wouldn't do that.
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Re: New GB Sign ....
And, just like the Fin in Ashland, this business would not get my money... whether I'm carrying openly OR discreetly...
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I think I see what they're getting at, but...... the thing about law enforcement possessing identification is perplexing. 99% of law enforcement who are openly carrying will be in uniform or will have a badge displayed. A badge is not identification. I and many other cops do not carry their full wallet while on duty. The ID and all my credit cards stay in the locker.
If I'm in that business on official business, in uniform, are they really going to ask for my police ID as well?
If I'm in that business on official business, in uniform, are they really going to ask for my police ID as well?
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Re: New GB Sign ....
I would purposely print so badly that my shirt would be screaming for mercy.
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MyWifeSaidYes wrote:I would purposely print so badly that my shirt would be screaming for mercy.
Ummmm...... yeah, leaving that one alone.
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Re: New GB Sign ....
Conversely, when I go to Friday's by South Park Mall, I always open carry because the sign says "No Concealed Handguns".WayneB wrote:It's pretty clear from the wording "Open Carry Of Firearms" --- that concealed carry would be ok.
I'm a believer that people mean what they say and say what they mean when it's printed. If you didn't want ANY guns, concealed or otherwise, then say so. What they said was, no "Open" carry. So I wouldn't do that.
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That would be my interpretation as well.CroManGun wrote:Conversely, when I go to Friday's by South Park Mall, I always open carry because the sign says "No Concealed Handguns".WayneB wrote:It's pretty clear from the wording "Open Carry Of Firearms" --- that concealed carry would be ok.
I'm a believer that people mean what they say and say what they mean when it's printed. If you didn't want ANY guns, concealed or otherwise, then say so. What they said was, no "Open" carry. So I wouldn't do that.
Seems like they're fine with handguns as long as they can plainly see who has them. It's the ones they can't see that really scares them.
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You'll see more signs like this or worse, flat out bans as long as the idiots in TX keep up with their idiocy of going into otherwise neutral private businesses with slung AR's.
I saw a no guns sign posted on El Rancho Grande restaurant tonight at the corner of Rt 747 and Union Ctr Blvd in West Chester where there was no sign before. I know damn well it is because of all the BAD press the in your face Texans are stirring up.
They are setting gun rights back 20 years......idiots!
I saw a no guns sign posted on El Rancho Grande restaurant tonight at the corner of Rt 747 and Union Ctr Blvd in West Chester where there was no sign before. I know damn well it is because of all the BAD press the in your face Texans are stirring up.
They are setting gun rights back 20 years......idiots!
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Re: New GB Sign ....
This is news to me. What's up with FFF in Ashland? I have plans to go there soon.BriKuz wrote:And, just like the Fin in Ashland, this business would not get my money... whether I'm carrying openly OR discreetly...
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Re: New GB Sign ....
See this threads getting old, butI'd like to know who/where this business is.....didn't see it mentioned?
I'd try and have a conversation w/ the owner over the issue of openly carried HANDGUNS in private business' verses openly carried LONG GUNS in a private business'(which is why all this BS started In the first place)......there IS A DIFFERENCE In how the public reacts to a handgun v/ a RIFLE carried this way.
Another issue..... I OC most of the time and CC when the situation calls for it but I still wouldn't patronize them even if I were still allowed to CC and politely let them know why and if I CC'd all the time I'd still not patronize them.......they are discrimonating against MY "FELLOW" (handgun) CARRIERS! Point is, we need to support each other, no matter how they choose to carry. What I see on this board and others boards also, is that if this issue of open carry goes south,and company's start posting against OC and leave CC alone, most of the CC only crowd will still patronize.......after all, what the hell, it doesn't affect them, right?.......well, I bet it might down the road! We ALL need to be vocal in this issue even if you don't openly carry.
As the old saying goes....We either hang together or we'll hang......well......!
Also , Brikuz made a statement earlyier:
his comment made me ask myself,why is openly carrying a properly holstered handgun and keeping it holstered without doing anything else to draw attention to it, considered INDISCREET? (just where IS the line drawn between discreet and indiscreet anyhow?)......I know, I know, it's visible to the surrounding public but most of us who carry this way usually admit that few notice and those "or most" that do notice a holstered handgun aren't alarmed(depending on the area, I suppose).
Although we need to be aware of how the sheep out there think, we sometimes, (or maybe it's just me) inadvertantly think just like them.
Not sure I accurately stated here what was on my mind but just felt the need to vent a few things.
Probably get flamed some here too, but .....
I'd try and have a conversation w/ the owner over the issue of openly carried HANDGUNS in private business' verses openly carried LONG GUNS in a private business'(which is why all this BS started In the first place)......there IS A DIFFERENCE In how the public reacts to a handgun v/ a RIFLE carried this way.
Another issue..... I OC most of the time and CC when the situation calls for it but I still wouldn't patronize them even if I were still allowed to CC and politely let them know why and if I CC'd all the time I'd still not patronize them.......they are discrimonating against MY "FELLOW" (handgun) CARRIERS! Point is, we need to support each other, no matter how they choose to carry. What I see on this board and others boards also, is that if this issue of open carry goes south,and company's start posting against OC and leave CC alone, most of the CC only crowd will still patronize.......after all, what the hell, it doesn't affect them, right?.......well, I bet it might down the road! We ALL need to be vocal in this issue even if you don't openly carry.
As the old saying goes....We either hang together or we'll hang......well......!
Also , Brikuz made a statement earlyier:
I know Brikuz carryies openly and I know what he was saying butBriKuz wrote:And, just like the Fin in Ashland, this business would not get my money... whether I'm carrying openly OR discreetly...
his comment made me ask myself,why is openly carrying a properly holstered handgun and keeping it holstered without doing anything else to draw attention to it, considered INDISCREET? (just where IS the line drawn between discreet and indiscreet anyhow?)......I know, I know, it's visible to the surrounding public but most of us who carry this way usually admit that few notice and those "or most" that do notice a holstered handgun aren't alarmed(depending on the area, I suppose).
Although we need to be aware of how the sheep out there think, we sometimes, (or maybe it's just me) inadvertantly think just like them.
Not sure I accurately stated here what was on my mind but just felt the need to vent a few things.
Probably get flamed some here too, but .....
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Well, I understand why Fin Feather Fur has that policy. They buy and sell guns. Lots and lot and lots of guns. They know that many guns will be going in and out of their store on a regular basis. And many of those guns will be handled by knuckleheads. And despite the fact that nobody wants to talk about it, some of those knuckleheads will be people with currently clean records who are making straw purchases for drug dealers and other unsavory characters. Given all those circumstances, they really want a firm rule that all firearms be unloaded with the action open. The problem is that they don't want to alienate concealed handgun carriers. Therefore, if you ask the concealed handgun carriers to keep their firearms concealed, it's more difficult for the knuckleheads to complain, "But you let him carry a loaded gun! That's not fair!"3FULLMAGS+1 wrote:Also , Brikuz made a statement earlyier:
I know Brikuz carryies openly and I know what he was saying butBriKuz wrote:And, just like the Fin in Ashland, this business would not get my money... whether I'm carrying openly OR discreetly...
his comment made me ask myself,why is openly carrying a properly holstered handgun and keeping it holstered without doing anything else to draw attention to it, considered INDISCREET? (just where IS the line drawn between discreet and indiscreet anyhow?)......I know, I know, it's visible to the surrounding public but most of us who carry this way usually admit that few notice and those "or most" that do notice a holstered handgun aren't alarmed(depending on the area, I suppose).
Also note that the policy at the Fin is better than the policy at local gun shows, where the strict rule is no loaded firearms and no loaded magazines, period. And even then, negligent discharges happen at those gun shows.
Edit: Oh, yeah ... and BriKuz needs to quit dragging his feet and get a CHL.
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Hmmmm........wasn't aware Brikuz didn't have a CHL .......so when he says "whether he carries openly OR discreetly", how does he carry discreetly if "only" CC is considered "DISCREET"?
Maybe he can enlighten us or am I missing a joke here?
Maybe he can enlighten us or am I missing a joke here?
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