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Hollywood Casino - Columbus is posted

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Went there this evening, and it's clearly posted at the entrance and on signs throughout the casino.

Just in case any of you were wondering,
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IIRC, the new gambling regulations require a casino to post.
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BobK wrote:IIRC, the new gambling regulations require a casino to post.

Is there a law enforcement exemption of some kind in those regs, Bob? (Doesn't really matter to me but I know of a couple situations from other states where that kind of exception wasn't helpful.)
One was an Ohio cop visiting an Indiana casino and being intoxicated and armed while making threats because he'd been losing money all night. He was forcibly ejected but amazingly the Indiana State Police didn't arrest him, the casino took no further action.

The other (much worse) one was all over the news when it happened in Detroit: Drunk despondant LEO on a long losing streak does himself in with an off duty gun right at the blackjack tables.

My overall point being that if casinos don't want armed patrons it should apply across the board, or else they should at least consider allowing those legal to possess a gun to have it in their place of business.

Indiana at least always has state police on the property, as a trade off to being a statutory 'no carry zone'. Some inquiry on my part has determined that you can indeed get a statie to escort you to your vehicle if you happened to hit it big in the casino and insisted on taking the winnings in cash.
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I didn't see any, but I also wasn't looking because I already knew they were going to be posted from previous discussion.

Too many slots machines, table minimums are too high (lowest is $15), and no video blackjack or poker that I could find :-( If I do go back, it'll only be to try the food.
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I didn't gamble a single dollar, I just went and drank the free fountain drinks, and watched my broke friends turn a combined $300 into $2,000 on the roulette table.
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Brian D. wrote: Is there a law enforcement exemption of some kind in those regs, Bob? (Doesn't really matter to me but I know of a couple situations from other states where that kind of exception wasn't helpful.)
One was an Ohio cop visiting an Indiana casino and being intoxicated and armed while making threats because he'd been losing money all night. He was forcibly ejected but amazingly the Indiana State Police didn't arrest him, the casino took no further action.

The other (much worse) one was all over the news when it happened in Detroit: Drunk despondant LEO on a long losing streak does himself in with an off duty gun right at the blackjack tables.

My overall point being that if casinos don't want armed patrons it should apply across the board, or else they should at least consider allowing those legal to possess a gun to have it in their place of business.

Indiana at least always has state police on the property, as a trade off to being a statutory 'no carry zone'. Some inquiry on my part has determined that you can indeed get a statie to escort you to your vehicle if you happened to hit it big in the casino and insisted on taking the winnings in cash.
I don't agree with it being across the board ban, because we all know that the criminals don't follow the laws. I'd feel better about an off-duty or an on-duty LEO carrying a firearm while I'm stripped of mine, so at least one other good guy has a gun.
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So if I understand,you can not carry in the Casino even if you do not drink. Is that right? It thought there signs didn't apply if you had a cow license.
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mdad wrote:So if I understand,you can not carry in the Casino even if you do not drink. Is that right? It thought there signs didn't apply if you had a cow license.
Incorrect. You are thinking of the liquor control signs.

What I believe BobK is saying is the Ohio Casino Control Board (whatever they are truely called) has a regulation of no firearms in the casino. Just like alot of other cases, the OCCB thinks they have the legal authority to mandage that as a policy even though they are a polical agency of the state. They however should all be posted if carry is not allowed, whether or not they are is another issue.
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mdad wrote:So if I understand,you can not carry in the Casino even if you do not drink. Is that right? It thought there signs didn't apply if you had a cow license.
No, you cannot carry even if you are not drinking alcohol.
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My understanding is that casinos are not on the statutory CPZ list, so the burden is not on the CHL holder. But in order to get a casino license, you have to agree to post your casino. If the casino upholds their end of the bargain, their casino will be posted. At that point, the CHL holder who chooses to carry in the casino will be violating the law, as they would carrying in any posted business.
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Brian D. wrote:
Is there a law enforcement exemption of some kind in those regs, Bob? (Doesn't really matter to me but I know of a couple situations from other states where that kind of exception wasn't helpful.)
One was an Ohio cop visiting an Indiana casino and being intoxicated and armed while making threats because he'd been losing money all night. He was forcibly ejected but amazingly the Indiana State Police didn't arrest him, the casino took no further action.

The other (much worse) one was all over the news when it happened in Detroit: Drunk despondant LEO on a long losing streak does himself in with an off duty gun right at the blackjack tables.

My overall point being that if casinos don't want armed patrons it should apply across the board, or else they should at least consider allowing those legal to possess a gun to have it in their place of business.

Indiana at least always has state police on the property, as a trade off to being a statutory 'no carry zone'. Some inquiry on my part has determined that you can indeed get a statie to escort you to your vehicle if you happened to hit it big in the casino and insisted on taking the winnings in cash.
No exemption for off duty, non special duty LEO.


OAC 3772-20-01 Security department.
(D) Except for the following persons, no casino operator licensee or applicant shall permit firearms at a casino facility, as defined in division (C) of section 3772.01 of the Revised Code:

(1) Commission gaming agents;

(2) Law enforcement officers, as defined in sections 9.88, 109.71 and 2901.01 of the Revised Code, who are on duty and within their jurisdiction;

(3) Law enforcement officers who are hired by a casino operator licensee or applicant for special duty as long as the officers are not specifically involved in gaming related regulatory functions; and

(4) Security guard providers, as defined by section 4749.01 of the Revised Code, who:

(a) Are not employed by the casino operator licensee or applicant;

(b) Are licensed under section 4749.03 of the Revised Code;

(c) Meet the requirements in section 4749.10 of the Revised Code; and
(d) Work for and are on duty with an armored motor vehicle security service licensed under section 4749.03 of the Revised Code.
So as written RichN is correct, it is up to the Casino to post.

It is interesting to note that all casino employees are barred from being armed as well, all casino employed security is to be unarmed (except special duty LEO).
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RichN wrote:My understanding is that casinos are not on the statutory CPZ list, so the burden is not on the CHL holder. But in order to get a casino license, you have to agree to post your casino. If the casino upholds their end of the bargain, their casino will be posted. At that point, the CHL holder who chooses to carry in the casino will be violating the law, as they would carrying in any posted business.
Exactly. That's how they dodge R.C. 9.68. The commission doesn't directly ban firearms in the casino. They just dictate that, if the casino owner wants to keep a license, the casino owner must ban firearms on the premises.
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Sounds like a bunch of B/S to me.
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In Indiana, Casino Security will allow you use of a lock-box where you can lock you're firearm up.
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Werz wrote:
RichN wrote:My understanding is that casinos are not on the statutory CPZ list, so the burden is not on the CHL holder. But in order to get a casino license, you have to agree to post your casino. If the casino upholds their end of the bargain, their casino will be posted. At that point, the CHL holder who chooses to carry in the casino will be violating the law, as they would carrying in any posted business.
Exactly. That's how they dodge R.C. 9.68. The commission doesn't directly ban firearms in the casino. They just dictate that, if the casino owner wants to keep a license, the casino owner must ban firearms on the premises.
I don't see the difference. It amounts to a de facto ban when they require that in order to legally operate a business, one must ban firearms. And that is the way I would argue it in court.
Of course, since I don't give a flying #@$% about gambling, and I wouldn't want to be the test case, it is purely an academic thought.
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