"Permission" to carry in CPZ

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"Permission" to carry in CPZ

Post by harleyb45 »

Hello,

I saw a remark on another board that got me to thinking. Has anyone ever asked their local school for permission to carry on the premises?

It is such a PITA to lock things up, drive through the parking lot to drop off/pick up my daughter, then re-arm.

I hate to "reveal" myself to the school admins, or the school board that way(especially since I think the principal is a weasel), but thought I'd see if anyone had had any experience with it.

Thanks,

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Post by Mad Duck »

I don't think they can give you permission to break the law.
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Actually, they can. Lol.
(D)(1) This section does not apply to any of the following:

(a) An officer, agent, or employee of this or any other state or the United States, or a law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry deadly weapons or dangerous ordnance and is acting within the scope of the officer’s, agent’s, or employee’s duties, a security officer employed by a board of education or governing body of a school during the time that the security officer is on duty pursuant to that contract of employment, or any other person who has written authorization from the board of education or governing body of a school to convey deadly weapons or dangerous ordnance into a school safety zone or to possess a deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance in a school safety zone and who conveys or possesses the deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance in accordance with that authorization;
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2923.122(D)(1).
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Post by harleyb45 »

Yeah, I thought of that, but the Fed statute talks about "for a program" in the school, or while under "a contract". As loose as the #$#%%& laws are in this state, maybe the school could fudge things a little<g>.

Then again, it's a government school and they have a different way of looking at things...
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Post by rickt »

Mad Duck wrote:I don't think they can give you permission to break the law.
If the school administration gives written permission, no law is being broken. Ohio Revised Code allows this.

If anyone in decides to stand up in a school board meeting and ask permission, please tape it so we can all enjoy the reaction of the board members and the audience reaction.
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Re: "Permission" to carry in CPZ

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harleyb45 wrote:It is such a PITA to lock things up, drive through the parking lot to drop off/pick up my daughter, then re-arm.
harley:

It's also illegal....

You can't bring a gun onto the property, period. (There are some very specific exceptions, but I think picking up the kid probably wouldn't fly....)

You're supposed to leave the gun at home....

Courtesy of our criminal and terrorist friendly legislators.... Their kids have bodyguards....

I expect that some of our smaller boards would go along if asked. But it's not going to happen in areas where there's a real problem.

I'd love to watch, though....

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Post by Timmy44221 »

You cannot go on school property with a gun (unless you have permission).

Can she walk to a nearby street where you can wait? That way you could stay armed when you pick her up.
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Post by willbird »

I think many many many of us should ask in WRITING. Then parish the thought that tragedy does strike, we can sue the board fully into bankruptcy.

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Post by harleyb45 »

willbird,

I like that idea!

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Post by MR D »

willbird

that might fly in the face of the 1000' Federal gun free zone around schools...
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MR D wrote:willbird

that might fly in the face of the 1000' Federal gun free zone around schools...
Sorry but that Law does not apply to us CHL's.
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Post by Timmy44221 »

Cruiser wrote:
MR D wrote:willbird

that might fly in the face of the 1000' Federal gun free zone around schools...
Sorry but that Law does not apply to us CHL's.
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Post by SMMAssociates »

Timmy:

I can't quote the exact text, but the Federal blissninny law oddly includes a valid "unless otherwise authorized".... LEO's & CHL's are exempt from the Federal law.

Our criminal and terrorist friendly legislators chose to take that exemption back when writing the CHL law.

But they did leave the little bitty "out" we're talking about here.

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Post by willbird »

From the AG pamphlet page 16
School safety zones. Concealed handgun license holders must be
especially cautious when entering school safety zones. A “school
safety zone” includes a school, school building, school premises,
school activity, and school bus. For purposes of this statute, a school
includes everything up to the property boundary. Under the law, an
offense is within the vicinity of a school if it is committed within the
property boundary or within 1,000 feet of the boundaries of any school
premises.

The law generally forbids the carrying of a handgun in a school safety
zone unless all of the following apply:

You do not enter a school building, premises or activity; and

You have a valid concealed carry license; and

You are not otherwise in one of the forbidden places listed above and
detailed in R.C. 2923.126(B); and

You are acting in accordance with federal law regarding
transport of firearms in school zones.

The federal law, 18 United States Code Section 922(q)(2)(B), provides in
summary that the prohibition against firearms in a school safety zone
does not apply:

to private property not part of school grounds;

if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the state
in which the school zone is located, and the law of the state requires
that, before an individual obtains such a license, law enforcement
authorities of the state verify that the individual is qualified under law
to receive the license;


if the handgun is not loaded and in a locked container, or a locked
firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;

to an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the
school zone;

to an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between
a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the
individual;

to a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official
capacity;

if the handgun is unloaded and possessed by an individual while
traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public
or private lands open to hunting if the entry on school premises is
authorized by school authorities.
So my take on all of this is that the section in Italics ONLY applies to those NOT authorized in writing as in the section that Sean quoted

to an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between
a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the
individual;
This section here would SEEM to make it ok for teachers to carry IF it was part of their contract to be allowed to do so. Also AOL Time Warner cable employees could be allowed to carry if that was part of the contractual agreement for service with the school district ??
if the handgun is not loaded and in a locked container, or a locked
firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;
This section says under federal law you can lock your gun in a locked case, or lock it in a rack made for that purpose and as long as it is not loaded the law does not apply to it.


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Post by Timmy44221 »

Hmm So theoreticaly if I got permission from Kent State Univeristy to carry, I could?
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