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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby TSiWRX » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:11 pm

jeep45238 wrote:Try it with a 9mm+p+ blowback :)


Um, ouch?

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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby steves 50de » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:35 pm

wls wrote:I love my 1911's, but cocked and locked is the only way to carry. Just make sure you have the right holster. I have found that many of them are made so that they will disengage the safety. Before Zlongie stopped making and selling holsters, I had several made especially for my 1911's that met my requirement not to interfere with the safety.

If you are carrying a “true” 1911, not the new small ones, you still have a grip safety and trigger to engage before it will fire. Even if the thumb safety disengages in a holster, you still have a very safe pistol. Now with the new, small one with no grip safety, that presents another issue.....now your trigger is your last safety feature.

1911's are way safer then those dam Glocks. :lol:
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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby jeep45238 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:28 am

steves 50de wrote:
wls wrote:I love my 1911's, but cocked and locked is the only way to carry. Just make sure you have the right holster. I have found that many of them are made so that they will disengage the safety. Before Zlongie stopped making and selling holsters, I had several made especially for my 1911's that met my requirement not to interfere with the safety.

If you are carrying a “true” 1911, not the new small ones, you still have a grip safety and trigger to engage before it will fire. Even if the thumb safety disengages in a holster, you still have a very safe pistol. Now with the new, small one with no grip safety, that presents another issue.....now your trigger is your last safety feature.

1911's are way safer then those dam Glocks. :lol:



It’s anout trigger travel regarding what type of trigger is less prone to treating negligence with a bang.
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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby TSiWRX » Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:36 am

steves 50de wrote:1911's are way safer then those dam Glocks. :lol:


Yeah, but Tex Grebner Glock'ed himself with a 1911!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE

:lol: :P :wink: :lol: :)
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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby M-Quigley » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:09 am

steves 50de wrote:
wls wrote:I love my 1911's, but cocked and locked is the only way to carry. Just make sure you have the right holster. I have found that many of them are made so that they will disengage the safety. Before Zlongie stopped making and selling holsters, I had several made especially for my 1911's that met my requirement not to interfere with the safety.

If you are carrying a “true” 1911, not the new small ones, you still have a grip safety and trigger to engage before it will fire. Even if the thumb safety disengages in a holster, you still have a very safe pistol. Now with the new, small one with no grip safety, that presents another issue.....now your trigger is your last safety feature.

1911's are way safer then those dam Glocks. :lol:


Some people just have to poke the nest with the stick. :)

I've owned both, and felt safe with both. The only observation I have is when I open carried a 80 series SA I got many stares and a few comments or questions from people who thought carrying a locked and cocked SA was unsafe, even though no one who questioned it could tell me why it was unsafe. Other people however openly carried a Glock and no one batted an eye. Yes I know a Glock isn't carried fully cocked, but the model of SA I carried had passed as many different safety tests as Glock. A Glock doesn't have an external hammer, and I guess for some people not seeing a hammer cocked makes them feel safer. :roll:

I had one person once who questioned me about the SA and I explained all the safety features of it. When I was done, the person said, "Yeah, but if you have the gun in your hand and flip off the safety, and your finger pulls the trigger back, it might go off then?"
I told the person I don't release the safety in the holster, I only do it after it's left the holster. He then said, "But still, if you've got the gun out in front of you and you release the thumb safety and put enough pressure on the trigger with your finger, it could potentially go off, right?" :roll: I replied that was true for any gun, and you shouldn't even have your finger on the trigger unless you're prepared to fire. He said that wasn't true for revolvers, because his revolver will only go off "if I intentionally pull the trigger." Even though he had never fired or owned a Glock, he thought the triggers were like his revolver (12-15 lb pull) because a Glock owner told him that Glocks were double action only, like a revolver. :roll:
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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby Brian D. » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:36 am

M-Q, some people are uneducated, others improperly educated, still others refuse to BE educated.
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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby jeep45238 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:28 pm

Brian D. wrote:M-Q, some people are uneducated, others improperly educated, still others refuse to BE educated.


There's a difference between stupid and ignorant.
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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby AlanM » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:36 pm

jeep45238 wrote:
Brian D. wrote:M-Q, some people are uneducated, others improperly educated, still others refuse to BE educated.


There's a difference between stupid and ignorant.


True, ignorance is the lack of information, stupidity is knowing you're ignorant and not doing anything about it.
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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby MacDonald » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:37 am

jeep45238 wrote:If you have a dingle action with a safety, I can come up with no other safe way to carry it while still being able to effectively employ the firearm in a deadly force scenario.

Not to mention lowering the hammer on a live round is a damn stupid and unsafe maneuver- decockers exist for a reason, and if your firearm doesn’t have one, that’s called a clue to not do said action to me.



Yep! Agree on all points.

I have the Mustang Pocketlite and two Colt 1911s. Best way to carry that style weapon is cocked and locked with the safety engaged. It is WAY safe than a Glock (but I have several of those, too)
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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby techmike » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:32 pm

I like 1911's, carrying in condition 1 not so much, just not comfortable for me to do so (Yes, I am one of 'those') I sometimes carry a Sig P238 which I used to carry in condition 1. One time I removed it from it's pocket holster to find the safety off, and it does not have a grip safety - eek. But Then I found the perfect (for me) solution - Para LDA's. But, Para had been acquired by Remington which then destroyed the company and their product lines. If you are new to Para's, LDA means Light Double Action. Externally, it is 100% 1911 except no barrel bushing, at least on the Carry 9 model. Internally it is very different. It has a Light Double Action which has to be tried to believe. Kinda long pull, but very light. They are based on a series 80, so firing pin plus grip plus thumb safety. I like them, I have three. :D

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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby jeep45238 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:16 pm

To the best of my knowledge, the Para LDA is akin to HK's LEM - that is there is a two part hammer, with the inner part fully cocked, essentially making it a single action with a long trigger travel.
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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby techmike » Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:53 pm

I have no HK savvy at all, but your LDA description is pretty good. Following link is a concise description of the LDA guts + pics. https://www.m1911.org/technic32.htm
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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby deanimator » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:11 pm

These days when I carry a semi-auto, I carry this:

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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby jeep45238 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:41 pm

techmike wrote:I have no HK savvy at all, but your LDA description is pretty good. Following link is a concise description of the LDA guts + pics. https://www.m1911.org/technic32.htm


It's pretty nice. I'd like to give the USP 9mm a honest try in DA/SA and LEM (you can change the fire control system on them). I had it on a P2000, and it just wasn't for me - but the concept of the trigger was great, worked well, and provided good accuracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KVkWGM ... e=youtu.be
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Re: Carrying cocked and locked

Postby techmike » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:37 pm

jeep45238 wrote:
techmike wrote:I have no HK savvy at all, but your LDA description is pretty good. Following link is a concise description of the LDA guts + pics. https://www.m1911.org/technic32.htm


It's pretty nice. I'd like to give the USP 9mm a honest try in DA/SA and LEM (you can change the fire control system on them). I had it on a P2000, and it just wasn't for me - but the concept of the trigger was great, worked well, and provided good accuracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KVkWGM ... e=youtu.be

Thanks for posting that video - the LEM looks like an improvement on the LDA - love that short reset! But I will keep my matched set of Para's.... :D
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