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Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby dc3dog » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:53 am

Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Call and Urge Your Committee Members to Support House Bill 142
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:33 pm

A substitute bill has been introduced.

The text isn't posted, but the Substitute Bill Comparative Synopsis HAS been published:

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/downlo ... format=pdf

The substitute bill INCREASES the burden of CHL holders. You'll notice that, under this sub bill, you will now have to PRODUCE YOUR PHYSICAL CHL CARD in addition to verbally notifying.

Failure to do EITHER will result in a $25 fine and a Minor Misdemeanor on your record.

Have your representatives vote AGAINST the sub bill.
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby Javelin Man » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:30 pm

Agreed. There is only one bill that should be passed and that's one that eliminates any and all portions of notification, not a bill that changes the wording. :evil:
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby 3FULLMAGS+1 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:05 am

dc3dog wrote:Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Call and Urge Your Committee Members to Support House Bill 142
http://www.ohiohouse.gov/


https://act.nraila.org/takeaction.aspx?AlertID=1799


If anything, I'd be contacting the NRA and chewing them a new one for supporting it. I did and told them I'd be recinding my life membership if it becomes law.
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby buckeye43210 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:29 am

MyWifeSaidYes wrote:The substitute bill INCREASES the burden of CHL holders. You'll notice that, under this sub bill, you will now have to PRODUCE YOUR PHYSICAL CHL CARD in addition to verbally notifying.

I'd love to do away with mandatory notification as well, but I read this as DECREASING the burden. If an officer asks for ID you must also {produce your CHL along with the DL OR verbally notify} AND {state that you are armed OR have a loaded gun in the vehicle}.

So, you only have to notify OR produce your CHL IF an officer asks for ID.
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby DontTreadOnMe » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:47 am

buckeye43210 wrote:
MyWifeSaidYes wrote:The substitute bill INCREASES the burden of CHL holders. You'll notice that, under this sub bill, you will now have to PRODUCE YOUR PHYSICAL CHL CARD in addition to verbally notifying.

I'd love to do away with mandatory notification as well, but I read this as DECREASING the burden. If an officer asks for ID you must also {produce your CHL along with the DL OR verbally notify} AND {state that you are armed OR have a loaded gun in the vehicle}.

So, you only have to notify OR produce your CHL IF an officer asks for ID.


Almost. You have to verbally notify OR produce your CHL IF an officer asks for ID, but then you must also :
(2) Disclose that the person then is carrying a
concealed handgun or has a loaded handgun in
the motor vehicle


I strongly object to this second notification. It's redundant and still requires a licensee to "Castile" themselves by forcing them to verbalize something along the lines of "I have a gun". (Whether they use those words or not)
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby Javelin Man » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:54 am

The officer will ask for ID from the driver at every stop and will now expect the CHL to be produced along with the driver's license, whether that's what the bill states or how it is interpreted regardless of the armed status.

See how confusing and wrong this bill is?
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby DontTreadOnMe » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:10 am

Javelin Man wrote:The officer will ask for ID from the driver at every stop and will now expect the CHL to be produced along with the driver's license, whether that's what the bill states or how it is interpreted regardless of the armed status.

See how confusing and wrong this bill is?

No I'm missing it. What you're describing is the way it works in over half the states, according to concealednation.org.

Of course that # doesn't include the current redundant provision of providing ID and verbally notifying.
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby carmen fovozzo » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:56 am

What a crock of crap....all this time and this is what we get...

I can see someone now getting pulled over and finding his CHL and DL at the same time before the officer gets to the window of the driver.
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby buckeye43210 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:14 am

DontTreadOnMe wrote:
buckeye43210 wrote:
MyWifeSaidYes wrote:The substitute bill INCREASES the burden of CHL holders. You'll notice that, under this sub bill, you will now have to PRODUCE YOUR PHYSICAL CHL CARD in addition to verbally notifying.

I'd love to do away with mandatory notification as well, but I read this as DECREASING the burden. If an officer asks for ID you must also {produce your CHL along with the DL OR verbally notify} AND {state that you are armed OR have a loaded gun in the vehicle}.

So, you only have to notify OR produce your CHL IF an officer asks for ID.


Almost. You have to verbally notify OR produce your CHL IF an officer asks for ID, but then you must also :
(2) Disclose that the person then is carrying a
concealed handgun or has a loaded handgun in
the motor vehicle

That's what I was trying to say in the first paragraph after the AND...

Perhaps my second paragraph should have read, "So, you have to verbally notify OR produce your CHL only IF an officer asks for ID AND you are armed OR have a loaded gun in the vihicle."
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby steves 50de » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:18 pm

carmen fovozzo wrote:What a crock of crap....all this time and this is what we get...

I can see someone now getting pulled over and finding his CHL and DL at the same time before the officer gets to the window of the driver.

After you give verbal notification of your CHL the cop wants to see it most of the time regardless,...just to make sure its on your person.
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby dustymedic » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:09 pm

I keep my ODL & CHL permit in the same slot in my wallet, so it should become automatic to give both at the same time.
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby JustaShooter » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:34 pm

Don't forget, in addition to handing over your CHL you *must also* disclose you have a concealed handgun (or have a loaded handgun in the vehicle). You can't just hand over your CHL and call it done.
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby DontTreadOnMe » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:20 pm

JustaShooter wrote:Don't forget, in addition to handing over your CHL you *must also* disclose you have a concealed handgun (or have a loaded handgun in the vehicle). You can't just hand over your CHL and call it done.


Which seems idiotic to me. It's completely pointless. I'm not handing over my CHL because I *don't* have my gun with me.
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Re: Ohio: Right to Carry Reform Bill Moves on to 5th Hearing

Postby Cloudwraith » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:56 am

The only good side I see to this, is if you're a passenger in a vehicle. Unless you are asked for your driver's license (not just an ID) you don't have to notify? Or am I reading that wrong. If you're stopped on the street (not driving) for a law enforcement purpose and are asked for ID (not a driver's license) do you have to notify? I guess I need to see the actual wording.
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