SB 199 issue at work

[qmti]

Seems to me General Mills wants to compile a list of employees that do not agree with their policies for future retaliation. I would call this a form of discrimination. I don't see how they can specify that the gun needs to be unloaded (big safety issue) and have a secondary lock-up within the vehicle that is locked up.

[pirateguy191]

Maybe someone should contact Derek Debrosse at....

http://ohiogunlawyer.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[JustaShooter]

Seems to me General Mills wants to compile a list of employees that do not agree with their policies for future retaliation. I would call this a form of discrimination. I don't see how they can specify that the gun needs to be unloaded (big safety issue)

I agree it is a safety issue, but nothing in the new law prevents employers from enacting and enforcing rules like this.

and have a secondary lock-up within the vehicle that is locked up.

That is actually required by the new law:

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.1210v1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(A) A business entity, property owner, or public or private employer may not establish, maintain, or enforce a policy or rule that prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting a person who has been issued a valid concealed handgun license from transporting or storing a firearm or ammunition when both of the following conditions are met:

(1) Each firearm and all of the ammunition remains inside the person's privately owned motor vehicle while the person is physically present inside the motor vehicle, or each firearm and all of the ammunition is locked within the trunk, glove box, or other enclosed compartment or container within or on the person's privately owned motor vehicle;

(2) The vehicle is in a location where it is otherwise permitted to be.

(Emphasis mine)

So to be protected under the law, the firearm and ammunition can be locked in the trunk, or locked in a glove box or locked in another enclosed compartment or locked in a container within (or on) the vehicle.

[gilly32]

So to be protected under the law, the firearm and ammunition can be locked in the trunk, or locked in a glove box or locked in another enclosed compartment or locked in a container within (or on) the vehicle.

Just to verify, it is not a requirement under the law for the firearm to be unloaded? That is just what is being stipulated by General Mills?

[WhyNot]

I'll go ahead and say it, GENERAL MILLS GETS NO MORE OF MY BUSINESS until they stop meddling in their indentured servan... er excuse me, employee's business.

If you'll excuse me, I have to go to GMs website now and look at a complete list of their products, and formulate a letter to their misguided HR dep't. Something along the lines of, if due to their policy they desire to know about employees CHL to manufacture company products, does GM in their heart also want the customer to disclose same in order to purchase said products (hence the letter), nexus, etc.

[carmen fovozzo]

Good luck.

[JustaShooter]

So to be protected under the law, the firearm and ammunition can be locked in the trunk, or locked in a glove box or locked in another enclosed compartment or locked in a container within (or on) the vehicle.

Just to verify, it is not a requirement under the law for the firearm to be unloaded? That is just what is being stipulated by General Mills?

That is correct, it is their own requirement. And, since it does not "prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting a person who has been issued a valid concealed handgun license from transporting or storing a firearm or ammunition", I think it is permissible under the new law.

[Brian D.]

Maybe someone should contact Derek Debrosse at....

http://ohiogunlawyer.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I did that yesterday, in general reference to SB 199, describing problems people here and BFA forums have reported. Told him one of his videos might be in order.

[WestonDon]

I'll go ahead and say it, GENERAL MILLS GETS NO MORE OF MY BUSINESS until they stop meddling in their indentured servan... er excuse me, employee's business.

If you'll excuse me, I have to go to GMs website now and look at a complete list of their products, and formulate a letter to their misguided HR dep't. Something along the lines of, if due to their policy they desire to know about employees CHL to manufacture company products, does GM in their heart also want the customer to disclose same in order to purchase said products (hence the letter), nexus, etc.

I know it feels good but if everyone took this attitude there would soon be a whole lot of unemployed former GM employees. Unintended consequences. Just sayin'.

[qmti]

Seems to me General Mills wants to compile a list of employees that do not agree with their policies for future retaliation. I would call this a form of discrimination. I don't see how they can specify that the gun needs to be unloaded (big safety issue)

I agree it is a safety issue, but nothing in the new law prevents employers from enacting and enforcing rules like this.

and have a secondary lock-up within the vehicle that is locked up.

That is actually required by the new law:

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.1210v1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(A) A business entity, property owner, or public or private employer may not establish, maintain, or enforce a policy or rule that prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting a person who has been issued a valid concealed handgun license from transporting or storing a firearm or ammunition when both of the following conditions are met:

(1) Each firearm and all of the ammunition remains inside the person's privately owned motor vehicle while the person is physically present inside the motor vehicle, or each firearm and all of the ammunition is locked within the trunk, glove box, or other enclosed compartment or container within or on the person's privately owned motor vehicle;

(2) The vehicle is in a location where it is otherwise permitted to be.

(Emphasis mine)

So to be protected under the law, the firearm and ammunition can be locked in the trunk, or locked in a glove box or locked in another enclosed compartment or locked in a container within (or on) the vehicle.

Thanks for the clarification about the secondary lock-up. Since unloading is a requirement by GM would a revolver be safer to unload then working a slide on a pistol?

[Brian D.]

Thanks for the clarification about the secondary lock-up. Since unloading is a requirement by GM would a revolver be safer to unload then working a slide on a pistol?

Yes, in one aspect for sure: Re-chambering the same round several times in an auto loader shortens it and raises its pressure. But with either type of handgun just follow all standard handling precautions and it shouldn't matter.

[steves 50de]

I would not play this game with these people or any company. Don't ask don't tell, don't sign forms, store firearm in locked car.

[curmudgeon3]

I'll go ahead and say it, GENERAL MILLS GETS NO MORE OF MY BUSINESS until they stop meddling in their indentured servan... er excuse me, employee's business.

If you'll excuse me, I have to go to GMs website now and look at a complete list of their products, and formulate a letter to their misguided HR dep't. Something along the lines of, if due to their policy they desire to know about employees CHL to manufacture company products, does GM in their heart also want the customer to disclose same in order to purchase said products (hence the letter), nexus, etc.

I know it feels good but if everyone took this attitude there would soon be a whole lot of unemployed former GM employees. Unintended consequences. Just sayin'.

Collateral damage.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants". -- Thomas Jefferson

[M-Quigley]

I would not play this game with these people or any company. Don't ask don't tell, don't sign forms, store firearm in locked car.

Do these employees even have a choice to sign or not? Well, I guess they do since they have a union, but at the last job I worked at (non union) you didn't have a choice about paperwork given to all employees at HR, signing was a condition of employment. If a new employee manual came out and you didn't like what was in it, and didn't sign it, the company terminated you for that. (I'm talking about all non contract employees)

[JustaShooter]

I would not play this game with these people or any company. Don't ask don't tell, don't sign forms, store firearm in locked car.

Do these employees even have a choice to sign or not? Well, I guess they do since they have a union, but at the last job I worked at (non union) you didn't have a choice about paperwork given to all employees at HR, signing was a condition of employment. If a new employee manual came out and you didn't like what was in it, and didn't sign it, the company terminated you for that. (I'm talking about all non contract employees)

Along the same lines, if you don't sign and are found to have a gun in your vehicle, they can fire you for violating company policy.