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steves 50de wrote:I would not play this game with these people or any company. Don't ask don't tell, don't sign forms, store firearm in locked car.
Do these employees even have a choice to sign or not?
The choice is to get company permission to do so. If they don't want company permission, there's no need to complete the form.
JustaShooter wrote:Along the same lines, if you don't sign and are found to have a gun in your vehicle, they can fire you for violating company policy.
True, but there's only 2 ways I can think that would happen: (a) You needed to use your gun to defend your life. Getting fired after that would suck, but it beats being dead; (b) They searched your car and found your gun -- if they're going to do that, they'd find some other way to fire you. Oh there's a third way: You ran your mouth about it. Don't do that.
Do these employees even have a choice to sign or not? Yes we have a choice. Sign and comply to their wants or don't sign and continue being a sheep. I love how on their Facebook page they talk about being proud of hiring veterans but yet are so anti gun. The veterans didn't defend this country using totino pizzas and yoplait yogurt.
Or just sign and ignore. Keep it concealed and keep the mouth shut.
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Has the company stated their reason for issuing the "forms" ?
It's possible that they're thinking if its against the law to prohibit their employees from storing defensive firearms in vehicles, then they want to assure them selves that its being done only by people who have passed the stringent background check and not by those who might be under disability.
curmudgeon3 wrote:I'm not connecting, can you give me a clue?
Another two words: Shut Up.
Don't discuss guns at work
You don't own guns
Guns are of no interest to you.
Tweed's Rules say it better but that's it in a nutshell. If you follow those rules, HR should have no reason to suspect you of having weapons in your vehicle or on you.
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curmudgeon3 wrote:Has the company stated their reason for issuing the "forms" ?
It's possible that they're thinking if its against the law to prohibit their employees from storing defensive firearms in vehicles, then they want to assure them selves that its being done only by people who have passed the stringent background check and not by those who might be under disability.
I'm no lawyer but it seems to me that doing this increases their liability, not reduces it. The employer is under no obligation to ascertain that information, but by doing so they are trying to actively manage who stores guns and who doesn't. That's all well and good until there is an incident involving a non-licensee who ignores the rules. Sometimes it's better to have a general rule that is not actively enforced (i.e. only on complaint) than have one that is actively, but only partially enforced.
FWIW my large multi-national company quietly changed the weapons prohibition rule to state that weapons are prohibited on all company owned or leased vehicles and premises. For the purposes of this rule, "premises" includes all facilities and surrounding land and parking lots under the company's control. Where state law regulates the storage of weapons in personally owned vehicles, state law shall control.
Curiously, they also deleted the old language making it also against policy to carry while on company business. Now the only issue prohibition is having a weapon on company property.
I work at a prison. The State sent out an email stating as long as we follow the law its all good. I've been carrying since Tuesday. And it feels good to carry everyday instead of just my days off.
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
True, but there's only 2 ways I can think that would happen: (a) You needed to use your gun to defend your life. Getting fired after that would suck, but it beats being dead; (b) They searched your car and found your gun -- if they're going to do that, they'd find some other way to fire you. Oh there's a third way: You ran your mouth about it. Don't do that.
I wonder about a fourth way (d) if your car was burglarized and you lost a stowed handgun in the theft. You obviously are required by law to report this... is it then public record, or is it private and between only you & LE? (and, well, the jackhole that broke in to your car...)
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DontTreadOnMe wrote:
True, but there's only 2 ways I can think that would happen: (a) You needed to use your gun to defend your life. Getting fired after that would suck, but it beats being dead; (b) They searched your car and found your gun -- if they're going to do that, they'd find some other way to fire you. Oh there's a third way: You ran your mouth about it. Don't do that.
I wonder about a fourth way (d) if your car was burglarized and you lost a stowed handgun in the theft. You obviously are required by law to report this... is it then public record, or is it private and between only you & LE? (and, well, the jackhole that broke in to your car...)
Well, the biggest rule we have in law enforcement in regards to public records is....if you don't want it public, don't tell the police.
I am not a lawyer. My answers are based on research, knowledge, and are generally backed up with facts, the Ohio Revised Code, or the United States Code.
1911's 4 life wrote:I work at a prison. The State sent out an email stating as long as we follow the law its all good. I've been carrying since Tuesday. And it feels good to carry everyday instead of just my days off.
I am not a lawyer. My answers are based on research, knowledge, and are generally backed up with facts, the Ohio Revised Code, or the United States Code.
1911's 4 life wrote:I work at a prison. The State sent out an email stating as long as we follow the law its all good. I've been carrying since Tuesday. And it feels good to carry everyday instead of just my days off.
But, the new law appears pretty clear in that it applies to any "public or private employer". So, when such apparent conflicts exist in the law, how does one decide which has precedence? In this case, the state has said the new law applies, and I suspect they've had their lawyers look things over. But I'm still curious, it seems there must be a mechanism to use to determine which applies.
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