Duty to notify
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Re: Duty to notify
Well that was a quick response , Dave.
The only time I've ever notified was when being in a vehicle....never had to notify when out walking around and had the Sneeky Pete on at the same time.
I normally don't have a backup on me.
The only time I've ever notified was when being in a vehicle....never had to notify when out walking around and had the Sneeky Pete on at the same time.
I normally don't have a backup on me.
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Re: Duty to notify
I still maintain that we should plan a huge (Trump calls it "YUGE") OFCC group trip via bus to...well, just a destination within Ohio. Get the driver to speed past an OSHP car running radar. Hopefully he'll pursue and stop us. Convince the officer to climb on the bus, maybe the bus driver could fake some hearing loss. Then, one by one, notify the trooper of our CHL status. That'll take an hour of ticket writing away from him for the day!
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Re: Duty to notify
I can't recall anytime on a long time that I've ever even had a casual conversation with someone who is LE, except for a few people with whom I'm friends with, and who already know anyway.
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Re: Duty to notify
Interesting, that happens to me regularly. But, my wife and I often to go to festivals and fairs on the weekends during nicer weather, and LEO presence is naturally more prevalent at these events. So, encountering an officer on our stroll down main street or the midway and passing the time of day is common - of course, we also tend to be a bit on the outgoing side so...
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Re: Duty to notify
Personally, I think duty to notify is a stupid gotcha law that was put in the code to snatch up otherwise law abiding citizens because they forget to notify or are to timid to interrupt an officer during a stop. Let's be realistic here, what does the law accomplish? Does it make LEO's safer?... NO, it doesn't. And why is that? Because those that shouldn't have firearms and do,aren't going to tell an officer " I'm carrying a gun." Unless they are really stupid.
But besides this I think all LEO's should treat every situation as if the person they are stopping could be armed. Does that mean they should go crazy and start making every person they stop lie down on the ground? No, but they should be more aware when making a stop. And I am willing to be most if not all LEO are this way regardless of the duty to notify law, because they know just like I stated earlier, criminals that shouldn't have firearms are not going to tell that they do have one.
But besides this I think all LEO's should treat every situation as if the person they are stopping could be armed. Does that mean they should go crazy and start making every person they stop lie down on the ground? No, but they should be more aware when making a stop. And I am willing to be most if not all LEO are this way regardless of the duty to notify law, because they know just like I stated earlier, criminals that shouldn't have firearms are not going to tell that they do have one.
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Re: Duty to notify
I can understand why the verbiage was included since at first glance it's a no brainer. Telling the cop you have a gun under your coat is common sense, right?
It's only that after its been in practice for the last 12 years is it found that it just doesn't do what it was thought to be designed for and hangs up the law abider. Make the cop ask me if I have a loaded firearm and be done with it.
I don't hear other states that don't have it clamoring for notification so it must be all working fine there....
It's only that after its been in practice for the last 12 years is it found that it just doesn't do what it was thought to be designed for and hangs up the law abider. Make the cop ask me if I have a loaded firearm and be done with it.
I don't hear other states that don't have it clamoring for notification so it must be all working fine there....
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Re: Duty to notify
Exactly. By now there are enough states with enough different CC laws that it should be fairly easy to recognize and adopt he best practices from each.gaptrick wrote:
I don't hear other states that don't have it clamoring for notification so it must be all working fine there....
Actually the same could be said for firearms laws in general. But I won't be holding my breath.
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Re: Duty to notify
Alabama hasn't had a duty to notify for as long as I can remember(They may have at some point)..But i can't ever remember a time that I was stopped in Alabama(What few they were) that the officer didn't ask me if I had any weapons in the car..I think that's about standard operating procedure.
"Lord, make my hand fast and accurate.
Let my aim be true and my hand faster
than those who would seek to destroy me.
Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
Let not my last thought be 'If I only had my gun."
And Lord, if today is truly the day you call me home
Let me die in a pile of empty brass."
Amen
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~The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.~ Thomas Jefferson
Let my aim be true and my hand faster
than those who would seek to destroy me.
Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
Let not my last thought be 'If I only had my gun."
And Lord, if today is truly the day you call me home
Let me die in a pile of empty brass."
Amen
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Re: Duty to notify
You have to do it "promptly" and I don't think "one-by-one" would meet the requirement. So while you have a good idea, I don't think it would work as desired.Brian D. wrote:I still maintain that we should plan a huge (Trump calls it "YUGE") OFCC group trip via bus to...well, just a destination within Ohio. Get the driver to speed past an OSHP car running radar. Hopefully he'll pursue and stop us. Convince the officer to climb on the bus, maybe the bus driver could fake some hearing loss. Then, one by one, notify the trooper of our CHL status. That'll take an hour of ticket writing away from him for the day!
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Re: Duty to notify
Would still be fun.
Even if everyone notified at the same time it would still take some time for the LEO to figure out what is going on... time not spent picking peoples pockets for victimless crimes.
Even if everyone notified at the same time it would still take some time for the LEO to figure out what is going on... time not spent picking peoples pockets for victimless crimes.
OhioPaints wrote:You have to do it "promptly" and I don't think "one-by-one" would meet the requirement. So while you have a good idea, I don't think it would work as desired.Brian D. wrote:I still maintain that we should plan a huge (Trump calls it "YUGE") OFCC group trip via bus to...well, just a destination within Ohio. Get the driver to speed past an OSHP car running radar. Hopefully he'll pursue and stop us. Convince the officer to climb on the bus, maybe the bus driver could fake some hearing loss. Then, one by one, notify the trooper of our CHL status. That'll take an hour of ticket writing away from him for the day!
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Re: Duty to notify
What you'd want is for everyone to repeatedly chant the notification in the matter of a religious invocation. And any order for you to STOP would be unlawful, since you're REQUIRED to notify, and you can't be SURE you've notified until he acknowledges YOU.WY_Not wrote:Would still be fun.
Even if everyone notified at the same time it would still take some time for the LEO to figure out what is going on... time not spent picking peoples pockets for victimless crimes.
Of course he could always request that you notify individually and in [some] sequence... which again draws the process out...
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Re: Duty to notify
I'm all in, if someone lines up a bus "trip", and someone needs to be in charge of getting it BOTH on
video and audio.
I think we should stop the buss along a major highway like we're broke down or something and wait for the OSHP to stop and do it to one of their officers, (being they are rabidly against notification going away), and show it to our gun friendly reps., using it against them.
We need to plan this thing out.......we need to figure a way out to get a cop on the bus, without getting a ticket.......what?....no ones taking this idea of a buss trip serious?
video and audio.
I think we should stop the buss along a major highway like we're broke down or something and wait for the OSHP to stop and do it to one of their officers, (being they are rabidly against notification going away), and show it to our gun friendly reps., using it against them.
We need to plan this thing out.......we need to figure a way out to get a cop on the bus, without getting a ticket.......what?....no ones taking this idea of a buss trip serious?
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Re: Duty to notify
Trade the bus for an RV and run it through a OVI checkpoint. Repeatedly if necessary. Make sure salsa music is playing loudly or sing "100 bottles of beer" when approaching the checkpoint. I am so in.
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Re: Duty to notify
What I forgot to say was that instead of being an "open carry" "walk", it could be coined our first "concealed carry" "drive".
'bet some of those Ohio Carry folks would join us if we needed numbers!
Sounds like WestonDon is in!
'bet some of those Ohio Carry folks would join us if we needed numbers!
Sounds like WestonDon is in!
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Re: Duty to notify
MyWifeSaidYes wrote:But if you're one of those nutcases that open AND conceal carry, you can get officers to make some funny faces when you notify.3FULLMAGS+1 wrote:...But if you were out walking and openly carrying you didn't have to notify...
Don't ask me how I know.
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We had that rally down at Arch Park in Columbus and when the cops showed up the crowd pointed them to me
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And the cop said "You don't have to tell me if you're carrying openly"
And I said "I know"
And the cop said "Oh", like he just learned something
And while we were chatting, this guy walks up and introduces himself and says "I have a duty to inform you that I have an Ohio License to Carry a Concealed Handgun and I am armed. I am also a licensed Attorney At Law", and the cop made him produce his ID CHL and quizzed him about where his gun was.
He told the guy "I can see he's got a gun; if you're carrying concealed, I want to check you out"
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