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I am planning to write an article for the OFCC web page regarding the apparently growing phenomenon of Sheriff's taking more than 45 days to issue CHL's.

The individuals affected all seem to have no firearms disabilities nor any CHL disqualifiers (based on their words and my not-a-lawyer interpretation of their words) but they are experiencing delays nonetheless.

The Sheriff's offices I've contacted all blame BCI for taking too long to return background checks. One or two Sheriff's? Maybe their just shifting the blame. Nearly a dozen? Maybe there's something up at BCI.

Now, the counties involved ARE issuing most CHL's within the 45-day window. There are just more reports showing up (on Facebook, OFCC forum, other forums) of individuals experiencing delays.

As part of my research for the article, I called BCI directly. I was forwarded to Jill Del Greco's voicemail. She is a Public Information Officer in the AG's office that handles requests about BCI. I explained the above and asked if there IS some delay BCI is experiencing since the implementation of the NICS check.

I'll post more when/if I hear from her.
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MyWifeSaidYes wrote:I explained the above and asked if there IS some delay BCI is experiencing since the implementation of the NICS check.
I can answer that part with 100% certainty and the answer is NO. The NICS check is run through the sheriff's office LEADS terminals. When Ohio added the NICS check they didn't want Sheriff's offices spending all day on the phone calling NICS so they obtained access to the NICS system that runs through NLETS which ultimately runs through LEADS. That feature was recently extended to any department where certain operators are requesting access. It is very strict and can only be utilized in the transfer of a firearm. At my department, one employee has it right now for the sole purpose of returning firearms that we seize from a traffic stop or similar incident. Before having the access, we could run BCI/III and hope nothing popped up.

So, BCI and NICS have no effect on each other. They are two totally separate terminals/functions/processes.

I'll be interested if you get a reply back although the system should be 100% automated. So why sheriff's are blaming it on that I have no clue. You get scanned at the SO, your prints are computerized, a computer system automatically codes them, it checks other similar prints and also name indexes, and gives a return back generally in less than 30 minutes. I think that is just an excuse for an SO.
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The law has no enforcement "teeth" and I assume some Sheriffs Offices are keenly aware of it.
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JediSkipdogg wrote:... I think that is just an excuse for an SO.
As I said, if it were just one or two, I'd buy that.

But several CHL desk personnel and a couple of their bosses I've talked to are claiming it's taking BCI 30 days to return results. And then some of the Sheriff's want to do their own thing after those results come back. Suddenly, 45 days have passed.

The weird part is that it's not consistent. Some people are getting their CHL in 7 days or less at the same office where others are getting delays.

So far, everywhere there is a delay, BCI is being blamed, so...
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How can some SO's take over 45 days while Franklin County has a one day turnaround? One of my students just got theirs in 21 HOURS!
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sd790 wrote:How can some SO's take over 45 days while Franklin County has a one day turnaround? One of my students just got theirs in 21 HOURS!
Lake County is 20 minutes.
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I talked to a coworker today that went into the Stark county sheriffs office Tuesday morning to apply and walked out with his license.. Just an FYI.. MWSY, do you have a list of counties that are causing delay's. ? Just curiosity mostly but I would like to tell students what counties have the better turnaround times.
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I got my ohio Chl in 2014 from Franklin County and it took 45 days or more. I even called Chl office after a month and they said they were waiting for some background check.

Sometimes you wonder why even complain...we are lucky we even have chl in ohio... I will take 45 days over no Chl that socialists, regressive left anti gunners and commies want to push on us like they have done in nyc, dc, nj, la, Chicago, most of Europe and most of the world where only people in power are the govts. And street gangs.
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sd790 wrote:How can some SO's take over 45 days while Franklin County has a one day turnaround? One of my students just got theirs in 21 HOURS!
And right there is the weakness in the "background delay" excuse. If BCI is sitting on some background checks, they're sitting on everyone's. I smell B...S... here......
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MyWifeSaidYes wrote:
JediSkipdogg wrote:... I think that is just an excuse for an SO.
As I said, if it were just one or two, I'd buy that.

But several CHL desk personnel and a couple of their bosses I've talked to are claiming it's taking BCI 30 days to return results. And then some of the Sheriff's want to do their own thing after those results come back. Suddenly, 45 days have passed.

The weird part is that it's not consistent. Some people are getting their CHL in 7 days or less at the same office where others are getting delays.

So far, everywhere there is a delay, BCI is being blamed, so...
Sorry for the late follow up on that. However, I think those blaming BCI are doing it on the incomplete record aspect. Ohio knows there is an issue, but there are no teeth in the law to use against those submitting prints and the courts for updating them.

Therfore it's easy to blame BCI and not everyone else. After all, they are the holders of the records saying someone in 1999 was arrested for drug trafficking but no update since then. So do they issue or deny? Technically deny as it should be considered a record still in process. As for those with no records, not sure why the hold up. If one County can do it in an hour, then all counties can.
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docachna wrote:
sd790 wrote:How can some SO's take over 45 days while Franklin County has a one day turnaround? One of my students just got theirs in 21 HOURS!
And right there is the weakness in the "background delay" excuse. If BCI is sitting on some background checks, they're sitting on everyone's. I smell B...S... here......
Exactly, its all electronic, it's not like the computer says to take 60 days in summit County and 60 minutes in Butler.
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Obama's loading up the computer system with new disqualifiers, slows things down a bit ? :|
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curmudgeon3 wrote:Obama's loading up the computer system with new disqualifiers, slows things down a bit ? :|
Unlikely, since this is the *Ohio* Bureau of Criminal Investigations we are talking about.
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JustaShooter wrote:
curmudgeon3 wrote:Obama's loading up the computer system with new disqualifiers, slows things down a bit ? :|
Unlikely, since this is the *Ohio* Bureau of Criminal Investigations we are talking about.
Which has it's own problems, but most are related to complete and accurate records being entered in the system, if entered at all.
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JustaShooter wrote:
curmudgeon3 wrote:Obama's loading up the computer system with new disqualifiers, slows things down a bit ? :|
Unlikely, since this is the *Ohio* Bureau of Criminal Investigations we are talking about.
I was under the impression the FED requirements were incorporated; no ?
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