M-Quigley wrote:Recently I was talking to a guy I know who is a cop about civilian concealed carry. He mentioned something that happened to him recently. He does not want his city or department named. His department hired a new guy (new to the department but who had been a cop for a number of years in a near by city.) They had a traffic stop where he (the new guy) asked the driver at one point, "Is there something you need to tell me?" She didn't know what he was talking about, so he told her "about your gun." She told him that yes she had a CHL but didn't have her gun with her at that moment. He told her she was still supposed to notify that she had a CHL and show it to him, and then to tell him that she didn't have the gun with her. She told him that's not what she was told in her CCW class, and he said that her instructor was wrong. He wasn't going to charge her with anything, he just wanted to let her know to inform in the future. The other cop that saw this called him over and quietly informed him that she was right and he was wrong, that the driver didn't have a duty to inform if she wasn't carrying. The guy then asks, "When did they change the law?"

.......ya , when DID that law change?.....LOL.....SMH.
This is another point that we need to get across to out legislators, (not that those who head to our statehouse every year aren't trying to do this), not only are there cops who will use notification as means to harass, but there are other LE that are NOT bad cops, (as far as being anti-carry), but don't know the laws as well as they should, and when confronted by a citizen who carries and that citizen tries to correct them on a law, the officer refuses to hear them out. It's an attitude problem, we all have one.......to a varying degree......it's human nature. And some of us don't want to admit when we are wrong, much less apologize, and the part about not wanting their city or department mentioned, proves that they would rather sweep the incident under the rug, instead of putting it out there as an example to learn from. And I didn't see an apology from the leo, mentioned above and I never got one from the leo that wanted to arrest me on two different issues, (when he was wrong), that I posted about earlier in this thread. I think too many LE have the wrong attitude when in uniform and even a simple misunderstanding of the laws can get blown out of proportion in even the most ordinary, day to day LE interactions and "we" end up taking the brunt of it. And our legislators are refusing to take our concerns seriously. And this lack of concern by our legislators who refuse to put this issue at the top of their priority list is going to continue to cause those of us who carry, problems such as harassment, arrest or poss. worse.
Are we trying to get rid of notification completely, not really, we are trying to get the "duty to notify "FIRST" off our backs by putting a "duty to ask" on LE, (if the officer wants to know). Maybe it's how we are communicating this to our legislators, because it's not that we, (OFCC) are anti-cop, we are just trying to fix a very bad law.
Whoo, that vent felt good, now lets get back to those notification stories......
Sorry about my post hear looking like a quote. I'm not sure how that happened, but I don't have time now to fix it.

FTFY - JaS