deer attack - and ccw self defense

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deer attack - and ccw self defense

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curious if a deer attacking would be seen as a valid ccw self defense scenario?

once you get into oct/nov the deer behavior changes (esp male bucks).

instead of running away, they will stand their ground and snort.

i could easily envision an attack.

would we still have a duty to retreat? or instead stand your ground?

i belive ohio ccw needs 'stand your ground' otherwise ohioccw is just a paper tiger
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Deer dog bear or cow.....I'm shooting...if being attacked...I'll make a exception for Poodles and Schnauzers.
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That's a twist.. Is it self defense when another person isn't involved?
Sounds like a good question for ODNR specifically.. if it was gun season & a 5" min barrel, .357 or larger is used, you're golden, presuming you tag appropriately, licensed, safe on times, not tresspassing etc. :wink:
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jinxer wrote:curious if a deer attacking would be seen as a valid ccw self defense scenario?
Theoretically.
jinxer wrote:i could easily envision an attack.
I can envision giant monsters rising from the sea to destroy coastal cities. Doesn't mean it's likely.
jinxer wrote:would we still have a duty to retreat? or instead stand your ground?
There is no duty to retreat in protecting yourself against an animal attack. There is however a requirement that you were actually doing so and not simply hunting outside of season or w/o a license, or committing animal cruelty. Unless the situation strongly supports the defense against attack there's a good chance you'll have to justify your actions or face those charges.
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Ask Chuck what it's like to get whooped up on by a four-legged animal. I'm shooting.
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pirateguy191 wrote:Ask Chuck what it's like to get whooped up on by a four-legged animal. I'm shooting.
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I've seen those signs.

Just be glad you aren't out west. The cattle have the right of way. You hit one while driving and it is your fault. :wink:
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Aesinsp wrote:That's a twist.. Is it self defense when another person isn't involved?
Sounds like a good question for ODNR specifically.. if it was gun season & a 5" min barrel, .357 or larger is used, you're golden, presuming you tag appropriately, licensed, safe on times, not tresspassing etc. :wink:
see, i would think getting another govt agency involved would be a bad thing.

I could see local law enforcement not prosecuting and instead ODNR trying to turn it into a hunting violation.

so i think it would be more likely to be allowed given that you DONT have:
a legal .357 or larger pistol with 6" barrel or longer
a hunting permit

if you make it look like hunting, it would likely mean they (ODNR) prosecute it as illegal take of wildlife.

isnt gun season like one week, daylight only, in ohio?

you wouldnt want it to look like hunting and instead a Valid CCW defense.

you cant even get ODNR to help pick up garbage the local hunter and fisherman leave behind in the state managed wildlife areas near my house (thats not our job. LOL. its not mine eiher but i do it)
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What's effective against a big buck or the average deer?

Not a trick question: out walking my dog last fall, with my daughter - the three of us turned a corner in our neighborhood to be met by the eyeballs of a 8-point buck. :shock:
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TSiWRX wrote:What's effective against a big buck or the average deer?
The .357 Magnum is regularly used to harvest deer in Ohio, and ODNR lists .38 Special as an allowable cartridge for deer hunting (though I don't know how effective a .38 is on deer).
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pirateguy191 wrote:Ask Chuck what it's like to get whooped up on by a four-legged animal. I'm shooting.

Better to be a live defendant than a dead non-shooter

That cow wanted to kill me,,,,
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jinxer wrote:curious if a deer attacking would be seen as a valid ccw self defense scenario?
It depends. If you're covered in deer urine like the clown in the video, the courts might figure you deserve to get your --- kicked by the deer. (remember you have to be an innocent party)

Look, just buy a tag like everyone else, okay? :roll:

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Chuck wrote:
pirateguy191 wrote:Ask Chuck what it's like to get whooped up on by a four-legged animal. I'm shooting.

Better to be a live defendant than a dead non-shooter

That cow wanted to kill me,,,,
You guys should ease up on Chuck - it was a traumatic experience for him...

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:
jinxer wrote:curious if a deer attacking would be seen as a valid ccw self defense scenario?
Theoretically.
jinxer wrote:i could easily envision an attack.
I can envision giant monsters rising from the sea to destroy coastal cities. Doesn't mean it's likely.
jinxer wrote:would we still have a duty to retreat? or instead stand your ground?
There is no duty to retreat in protecting yourself against an animal attack. There is however a requirement that you were actually doing so and not simply hunting outside of season or w/o a license, or committing animal cruelty. Unless the situation strongly supports the defense against attack there's a good chance you'll have to justify your actions or face those charges.
Individuals are attacked by deer every year and some of the results aren't pretty. Even does will get nasty if they think you are a threat to a fawn. Those hooves are sharp and they have very strong legs. I would not hesitate to shoot a buck or doe if it appeared to be attacking me.
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JustaShooter wrote:
TSiWRX wrote:What's effective against a big buck or the average deer?
The .357 Magnum is regularly used to harvest deer in Ohio, and ODNR lists .38 Special as an allowable cartridge for deer hunting (though I don't know how effective a .38 is on deer).
Thanks for that. :)

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