Thanks! Looking forward to their response.MyWifeSaidYes wrote:I sent this through their 'Contact Us' form on the fair web site:
Two questions:
When is the next meeting of the Van Wert Agricultural Society?
Do you still have any "No Guns" signs posted at the entrances to the Van Wert Fairgrounds?
Since the fairgrounds are owned by the Agricultural Society, and the Agricultural Society is a political subdivision of the state pursuant to R.C. 2744.01(F) (see "Greene Cty. Agricultural Soc. v. Liming, 89 Ohio St.3d 551, 2000-Ohio-486"), the fairgrounds are public property and cannot be posted with "No Guns" signage (see "Ohioans for Concealed Carry, Inc. v. Clyde, 120 Ohio St.3d 96, 2008-Ohio-4605").
Buildings that are NOT standalone bathrooms, parking structures or shelters (shelter houses, grandstands, barns, stables, sheds, etc.) may be posted. This means you are limited to posting only buildings where Society employees are regularly present, such as a fairgrounds office.
If your legal counsel continues to advise you to maintain "No Guns" signage after reviewing the case law I have provided above, please let me know. I can provide you with a list of competent attorneys in your area.
This is a request for information from a political subdivision of the state according to the Ohio Public Records Act. I look forward to your reply.
-"MWSY"
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Has anyone check the county auditor's website for ownership/tax info?
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I got this pm through Facebook today...
This is Mike Wortman. I'm a director on the Van Wert Co Fairboard. I would like to see if you would be willing to come to our next Fairboard meeting to address the issue of concealed carry during the fair. If you would give me a call 419-513-xxxx. Thanks.
I feel like they want to try and throw me to the wolves...Next Wednesday the 15th at 7:00 pm
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Maybe not, who knows.pps_dad wrote:I got this pm through Facebook today...This is Mike Wortman. I'm a director on the Van Wert Co Fairboard. I would like to see if you would be willing to come to our next Fairboard meeting to address the issue of concealed carry during the fair. If you would give me a call 419-513-xxxx. Thanks.I feel like they want to try and throw me to the wolves...Next Wednesday the 15th at 7:00 pm
Also let them know BOTH open carry and concealed is allowed.
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So call him. Ask him what he means by "address", since the board has already gotten a note from My Wife Said Yes that covers the issue well from a legal perspective.pps_dad wrote:I got this pm through Facebook today...This is Mike Wortman. I'm a director on the Van Wert Co Fairboard. I would like to see if you would be willing to come to our next Fairboard meeting to address the issue of concealed carry during the fair. If you would give me a call 419-513-xxxx. Thanks.I feel like they want to try and throw me to the wolves...Next Wednesday the 15th at 7:00 pm
Ask him what he feels is necessary to add to that note - and if MYSY can't go, and it seems like it's worthwhile for you to go, the collective "we" can prepare you to make a presentation.
Yes, I do believe in open carry. An openly armed man is clear in his intentions. Concealed carriers are sneaks and skulkers and elitist, boot licking, political contribution making, running dog lackies of The Man. <wink> (thx grumpycoconut - OpenCarry.org)
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Just got off the phone with Mr. Wortman, very respectful pro gun guy. He brought this issue up to the board Monday night after he seen some of the questions I was asking on social media. He has them agreeing that this needs revisited and wanted to know if I or any of us want to join him and at a meeting to give the pros of allowing concealed carry during the fair. This is his first year on the board and never knew that they posted during the fair. He, just like all of us, is a concealed carrier and would like to see this get reversed whether they are breaking a law or not. He even stated that since it is considered a youth event that makes it an even bigger target rich environment and would benefit having the signs removed. MWSY, would you be willing to assist me with making it to one of the meetings or help with putting information together about the legal side and the pro side of allowing concealed carry? He said it doesn't have to be next weeks meeting but he was just letting me know when the next one was. They are the 3rd Weds of each month.
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I'd say the sooner the better. From this forum it seems to me fair boards have short attention spans or something.
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How many pros beyond the illegality of prohibiting it do they need?pps_dad wrote:Just got off the phone with Mr. Wortman, very respectful pro gun guy. He brought this issue up to the board Monday night after he seen some of the questions I was asking on social media. He has them agreeing that this needs revisited and wanted to know if I or any of us want to join him and at a meeting to give the pros of allowing concealed carry during the fair. This is his first year on the board and never knew that they posted during the fair. He, just like all of us, is a concealed carrier and would like to see this get reversed whether they are breaking a law or not. He even stated that since it is considered a youth event that makes it an even bigger target rich environment and would benefit having the signs removed. MWSY, would you be willing to assist me with making it to one of the meetings or help with putting information together about the legal side and the pro side of allowing concealed carry? He said it doesn't have to be next weeks meeting but he was just letting me know when the next one was. They are the 3rd Weds of each month.
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"Allowing"?? That's adorable.pps_dad wrote:... He has them agreeing that this needs revisited and wanted to know if I or any of us want to join him and at a meeting to give the pros of allowing concealed carry during the fair.
Absolutely, but I have to agree with schmieg...exactly what is there to discuss?pps_dad wrote:...MWSY, would you be willing to assist me with making it to one of the meetings or help with putting information together about the legal side and the pro side of allowing concealed carry? ...
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He said he can't get a direct answer from them about the "private property" claim, they act like no one actually knows what's what. Which this doesn't surprise me. So more or less he would like to see both ends covered whether there is a legal issue or not, either way he doesn't want the signs to go up during the fair.MyWifeSaidYes wrote:"Allowing"?? That's adorable.pps_dad wrote:... He has them agreeing that this needs revisited and wanted to know if I or any of us want to join him and at a meeting to give the pros of allowing concealed carry during the fair.
Absolutely, but I have to agree with schmieg...exactly what is there to discuss?pps_dad wrote:...MWSY, would you be willing to assist me with making it to one of the meetings or help with putting information together about the legal side and the pro side of allowing concealed carry? ...
He also was unaware of the email you sent them through the "contact us" on their website.
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I like it!MyWifeSaidYes wrote:Is "World's Tallest Midget" already taken?BB62 wrote:... I wish I had a cool title!
Yes, I do believe in open carry. An openly armed man is clear in his intentions. Concealed carriers are sneaks and skulkers and elitist, boot licking, political contribution making, running dog lackies of The Man. <wink> (thx grumpycoconut - OpenCarry.org)
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Q: What do a dwarf and a midget have in common?BB62 wrote:I like it!MyWifeSaidYes wrote:Is "World's Tallest Midget" already taken?BB62 wrote:... I wish I had a cool title!
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