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Thanks. I take it FOPA "unloaded" is a more reasonable "ammunition is not inside gun" rather than the ridiculous Ohio "unloaded" meaning "no ammunition inside magazine anywhere in the vehicle"?
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ITFlyer wrote:Thanks. I take it FOPA "unloaded" is a more reasonable "ammunition is not inside gun" rather than the ridiculous Ohio "unloaded" meaning "no ammunition inside magazine anywhere in the vehicle"?
I recommend you leave the ammo out of the magazine and in an ammo box rather than count on a roadside interpretation of whether a loaded magazine out of the gun equals an unloaded gun.
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Thank you for the information! I got a lot of knowledge, that i have never learnt before
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I just went to the following states and couldn't carry anywhere with my Ohio CCP. Pa,Ny,Ma,Nh,Me,Md. I don't think I have seen the list of states that accept Ohio grow since I got a permit a couple years ago. Is this because Ohio Politicians are anti gun and not trying to get agreements? I guess the only option is to get one from another state. I am going to MD to make a possible classic car purchase and wil be meeting a stranger at a storage facility and would love to have my gun of protection. I could transport it but still be breaking the law by having it for saftey when I get there. Any suggestions?
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USA-1 wrote:I just went to the following states and couldn't carry anywhere with my Ohio CCP. Pa,Ny,Ma,Nh,Me,Md. I don't think I have seen the list of states that accept Ohio grow since I got a permit a couple years ago. Is this because Ohio Politicians are anti gun and not trying to get agreements? I guess the only option is to get one from another state. I am going to MD to make a possible classic car purchase and wil be meeting a stranger at a storage facility and would love to have my gun of protection. I could transport it but still be breaking the law by having it for saftey when I get there. Any suggestions?
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USA-1 wrote:I just went to the following states and couldn't carry anywhere with my Ohio CCP. Pa,Ny,Ma,Nh,Me,Md. I don't think I have seen the list of states that accept Ohio grow since I got a permit a couple years ago. Is this because Ohio Politicians are anti gun and not trying to get agreements? I guess the only option is to get one from another state. I am going to MD to make a possible classic car purchase and wil be meeting a stranger at a storage facility and would love to have my gun of protection. I could transport it but still be breaking the law by having it for saftey when I get there. Any suggestions?
PA will get you many states for a amall amount ($26) of money and little effort right now; in March 2011 you will have to appear in person to get a license there. That will only get you PA of the states that you list. You can get a NH non resident for $100 and be good in NH. You can get a non-resident MA license for $100 per year, and I believe you have to have a reason, but I have heard that non-res licenses are sometimes easier to get than a resident license there. You are pretty much out of luck in NY and MD. I forget what you need for ME, but you can look it up. How about having the car guy meet you in VA if the car is driveable; your OH license is good there.
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USA-1 wrote:I just went to the following states and couldn't carry anywhere with my Ohio CCP. Pa,Ny,Ma,Nh,Me,Md. I don't think I have seen the list of states that accept Ohio grow since I got a permit a couple years ago. Is this because Ohio Politicians are anti gun and not trying to get agreements? I guess the only option is to get one from another state. I am going to MD to make a possible classic car purchase and wil be meeting a stranger at a storage facility and would love to have my gun of protection. I could transport it but still be breaking the law by having it for saftey when I get there. Any suggestions?
PA will get you many states for a amall amount ($26) of money and little effort right now; in March 2011 you will have to appear in person to get a license there. That will only get you PA of the states that you list. You can get a NH non resident for $100 and be good in NH. You can get a non-resident MA license for $100 per year, and I believe you have to have a reason, but I have heard that non-res licenses are sometimes easier to get than a resident license there. You are pretty much out of luck in NY and MD. I forget what you need for ME, but you can look it up. How about having the car guy meet you in VA if the car is driveable; your OH license is good there.
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I got another question, and excuse me if it's been answered before. If I put my handgun into a lockbox prior to entering a CPZ, does the handgun have to be unloaded? Technically it is not being 'transported' while the truck is in a parking lot.





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evelynz8735 wrote:I got another question, and excuse me if it's been answered before. If I put my handgun into a lockbox prior to entering a CPZ, does the handgun have to be unloaded? Technically it is not being 'transported' while the truck is in a parking lot.





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As long as there is not someone in the car without a CHL. If there is someone in the car, they do not have a CHL, and the gun is loaded (or there is a loaded magazine for the gun somewhere in the car), then they can be charged.
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ITFlyer wrote:As long as there is not someone in the car without a CHL. If there is someone in the car, they do not have a CHL, and the gun is loaded (or there is a loaded magazine for the gun somewhere in the car), then they can be charged.
I don't think that is the case if the unlicensed person doesn't have a key to the lock box.
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AlanM wrote:
ITFlyer wrote:As long as there is not someone in the car without a CHL. If there is someone in the car, they do not have a CHL, and the gun is loaded (or there is a loaded magazine for the gun somewhere in the car), then they can be charged.
I don't think that is the case if the unlicensed person doesn't have a key to the lock box.
No, that's incorrect. The applicable law:
ORC 2923.16 (C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways...
ORC 2923.16 (K) (5)”Unloaded” means any of the following:

(a) No ammunition is in the firearm in question, and no ammunition is loaded into a magazine or speed loader that may be used with the firearm in question and that is located anywhere within the vehicle in question, without regard to where ammunition otherwise is located within the vehicle in question. For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in en-bloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader.
The fact that the gun is loaded (meaning either the cartridges are in the gun, or are loaded into a magazine or speed loader that can fit into the gun, and that magazine or speed loader are also in the vehicle, as per 2923.16 (K), above), means that 2923.16 (C) does not apply (see bolded portion of 2923.16 (C) excerpt, above) - it doesn't matter if it's locked in a steel safe - if the gun is loaded, and it's in the car, it invalidates section C.

So then we go to 2923.16 (E):
(E) No person who has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code shall do any of the following:

(1) Knowingly transport or have a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle unless one of the following applies:

(a) The loaded handgun is in a holster on the person’s person.

(b) The loaded handgun is in a closed case, bag, box, or other container that is in plain sight and that has a lid, a cover, or a closing mechanism with a zipper, snap, or buckle, which lid, cover, or closing mechanism must be opened for a person to gain access to the handgun.

(c) The loaded handgun is securely encased by being stored in a closed glove compartment or vehicle console or in a case that is locked.
You should be familiar with this one. This one doesn't apply either, because the person left in the car with the loaded gun does not have a license to carry a concealed handgun.

So then we go to the last piece of relevant law, which IS directly applicable to the hapless CHL-less person left in the car with the loaded gun:
2923.16 (I) Whoever violates this section is guilty of improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle... Violation of division (C) of this section is a misdemeanor of the fourth degree.
So basically, if you are locking your loaded (as per ORC definition) gun in the car, make sure nobody that does not have a CHL is going to be in the car at the same time as your gun. They are (potentially unknowingly) committing a felony by doing so.
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Wouldn't the term "Knowingly" get the passenger out of the possible jackpot?
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kb8dnr wrote:
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juanvaldez wrote: Note the Key words there "from an approved Utah Instructor"

How strictly they enforce that I have no idea, perhaps someone who has a Utah non resident license can verify
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ITFlyer wrote:
AlanM wrote:
ITFlyer wrote:As long as there is not someone in the car without a CHL. If there is someone in the car, they do not have a CHL, and the gun is loaded (or there is a loaded magazine for the gun somewhere in the car), then they can be charged.
I don't think that is the case if the unlicensed person doesn't have a key to the lock box.
No, that's incorrect. The applicable law:
The legal argument would be over the term "have", as in "No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle". If the gun is locked in such a way that the person cannot take possession of it, then you would argue they do not constructively "have" the firearm.
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