force on force training related to dog attack
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:32 pm
This is relevant to an incident discussed on here previously.
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Over the weekend I had the opportunity to engage in a non lethal force on force exercise related to a dog attack. Specifically if someone else was being attacked by a dog, and you had to "shoot" the dog without shooting the innocent victim. A large stuffed animal was used as the "dog". Everybody got to use the same "gun" and practice with it on a static target at 4 yards. (semi auto copy of an M9) Everybody did okay with the static target. I and a couple of other people got to be the victim as well as a defender. The people playing the victim were supposed to move around as much as possible, pretending like they were thrashing around, trying to get the "dog" off of them.
It was interesting to see the participants who were standing far back, trying to carefully aim a shot at the dog without hitting me. Most of those people completely missed me and the dog, or were afraid to shoot at all. The victims were hit a few times, the dog was hit a few times, but the hits might not have been effective on a real dog. (depends on the dog I guess) With those people there were a lot of complete misses. In real life where would those complete misses go? What I did, (and what a couple of other people who successfully hit the dog effectively without hitting the victim did) was basically get right up there to the dog and shoot point blank, contact or almost contact distance. Not that you can't hit the moving dog/biting human from afar, but it's much more of a challenge doing it that way for most people.
Someone else said that she was told in her CCW basic class to not get close to an attacker if you're not already close. I told her that was great advice if her attacker is a human that is a threat to you. A dog attacking a loved one or family member (sometimes not exactly the same thing ) isn't going to try to take your gun away from you or cut you with a knife in it's paw. The main risk to the gun owner is maybe the dog lets go of the victim and goes after the gun owner with its jaws. If that happens though, the gun owner at least has his/her gun out and ready to shoot.
One of the people who stood back from the dog (maybe 3-4 yards?) and did great on the static target, couldn't get a good hit on the dog. He complained afterwards that the exercise was too challenging, because every time he got the sights lined up and tried to slowly pull the trigger, the target moved, because the person playing the victim was thrashing around with a stuffed animal on his arm. (exactly like what might happen in real life, unless perhaps the victim was dead or something) Is there a name for square range static target syndrome?
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Over the weekend I had the opportunity to engage in a non lethal force on force exercise related to a dog attack. Specifically if someone else was being attacked by a dog, and you had to "shoot" the dog without shooting the innocent victim. A large stuffed animal was used as the "dog". Everybody got to use the same "gun" and practice with it on a static target at 4 yards. (semi auto copy of an M9) Everybody did okay with the static target. I and a couple of other people got to be the victim as well as a defender. The people playing the victim were supposed to move around as much as possible, pretending like they were thrashing around, trying to get the "dog" off of them.
It was interesting to see the participants who were standing far back, trying to carefully aim a shot at the dog without hitting me. Most of those people completely missed me and the dog, or were afraid to shoot at all. The victims were hit a few times, the dog was hit a few times, but the hits might not have been effective on a real dog. (depends on the dog I guess) With those people there were a lot of complete misses. In real life where would those complete misses go? What I did, (and what a couple of other people who successfully hit the dog effectively without hitting the victim did) was basically get right up there to the dog and shoot point blank, contact or almost contact distance. Not that you can't hit the moving dog/biting human from afar, but it's much more of a challenge doing it that way for most people.
Someone else said that she was told in her CCW basic class to not get close to an attacker if you're not already close. I told her that was great advice if her attacker is a human that is a threat to you. A dog attacking a loved one or family member (sometimes not exactly the same thing ) isn't going to try to take your gun away from you or cut you with a knife in it's paw. The main risk to the gun owner is maybe the dog lets go of the victim and goes after the gun owner with its jaws. If that happens though, the gun owner at least has his/her gun out and ready to shoot.
One of the people who stood back from the dog (maybe 3-4 yards?) and did great on the static target, couldn't get a good hit on the dog. He complained afterwards that the exercise was too challenging, because every time he got the sights lined up and tried to slowly pull the trigger, the target moved, because the person playing the victim was thrashing around with a stuffed animal on his arm. (exactly like what might happen in real life, unless perhaps the victim was dead or something) Is there a name for square range static target syndrome?