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Re: CCW license

Postby pps_dad » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:47 am

JustaShooter wrote:
pps_dad wrote:
pirateguy191 wrote:I stand by what I said except for the incorrect fee amount. You may not legally have to take the expired license or original certificate but I would.


You are correct...the law states you have to show proof that at one time you had a license...expired license, etc...

Could you point to that requirement in the ORC? Thanks.


Good call JustaShooter, it says it in the AG booklet but I can't find it in the ORC.
In order to renew your license, you must submit proof of
competency certification. Proof of certification may take either of
the following forms:
1. A previously issued Ohio concealed carry license. The license
may be either expired or currently valid.
2. A competency certificate from your instructor. If you have not
previously renewed your license, you must show proof that, at
one time, you had a competency certificate as described on
pages 4 and 5 of this publication.
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Re: CCW license

Postby JustaShooter » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:20 am

pps_dad wrote:
JustaShooter wrote:
pps_dad wrote:You are correct...the law states you have to show proof that at one time you had a license...expired license, etc...

Could you point to that requirement in the ORC? Thanks.


Good call JustaShooter, it says it in the AG booklet but I can't find it in the ORC.
In order to renew your license, you must submit proof of
competency certification. Proof of certification may take either of
the following forms:
1. A previously issued Ohio concealed carry license. The license
may be either expired or currently valid.
2. A competency certificate from your instructor. If you have not
previously renewed your license, you must show proof that, at
one time, you had a competency certificate as described on
pages 4 and 5 of this publication.


The law and the AG Booklet often disagree on details. :wink: It is certainly best if you have your license to bring and present it if they ask for it, but if you've lost or misplaced it I don't see how they can refuse to renew the license since the law doesn't require it from what I can tell.
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Re: CCW license

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:56 pm

JustaShooter wrote:
Stevenof1 wrote:IMO- It's much more difficult to get a CCW here in Ohio. The renewal process in Florida requires sending a current passport size photo with the form (no range competency needed) and about $119.00 (that's for 7 Years).


I wouldn't say *much* more difficult - but yes, the required training in Ohio includes a 2-hour minimum a range component and you do have to apply in person. Ohio's license is $67 for 5 years (well, since you haven't been a resident for 5 years it is $91) and renewals are $50 for 5 years. So, the price compares pretty favorably.



For a RENEWAL of an Ohio CHL, the process only requires $50 and an application.
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Re: CCW license

Postby Stevenof1 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:14 pm

When I said, "It's my understanding that having a CCW makes it easier and cheaper to renew by only doing the range competency for certification, correct?" I had read that this reduced the course to two hours verses eight and that this also reduced the cost.
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Re: CCW license

Postby Stevenof1 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:28 pm

I previously said, "I'm told that with a Florida CCW I'm subject to limitations such as not being able to have a gun in a school zone. Does that apply to traveling through a school zone in a car?" and this was affirmed. However when reading the statute it seemed vague and contradictory. Does anyone have the breakdown of this because what I read was confusing.

I'm kind of thinking of keeping my Florida license since it still has over two years left. I haven't checked yet but I'm thinking I can renew my Florida CCW with a new photo and a check. My wife's CCW expires in August so I'll contact Florida for her to see what they say.
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Re: CCW license

Postby Jim-in-Toledo » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:17 pm

Stevenof1 wrote:When I said, "It's my understanding that having a CCW makes it easier and cheaper to renew by only doing the range competency for certification, correct?" I had read that this reduced the course to two hours verses eight and that this also reduced the cost.

Renewals no longer require re-certification for Ohio.
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Re: CCW license

Postby JustaShooter » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:48 pm

Stevenof1 wrote:I previously said, "I'm told that with a Florida CCW I'm subject to limitations such as not being able to have a gun in a school zone. Does that apply to traveling through a school zone in a car?" and this was affirmed. However when reading the statute it seemed vague and contradictory. Does anyone have the breakdown of this because what I read was confusing.


The issue is the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act, not a State statute. The relevant sections of the Act are as follows:

18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A)
It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(B)
18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

(iii) that is—

(I) not loaded; and

(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;

(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;

(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;

(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or

(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.


So the exemptions that apply to your question are i and ii - and you'll notice there is no exemption for carrying in a car *unless* the firearm is unloaded and locked up.

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Re: CCW license

Postby Stevenof1 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:05 pm

It's really too bad that there's not a 'Stand Your Ground' Law in Ohio where you are never required to retreat. Also, the Florida CCW law covers switchblade knives and pepper spray.
But, can anyone point me to exactly where the School Zone regulation is different when one has an out-of-state reciprocal Florida CCW permit? I was looking at something where there were Highlighted Comments on the law but can't seem to locate it.
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Re: CCW license

Postby JustaShooter » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:08 pm

Stevenof1 wrote:can anyone point me to exactly where the School Zone regulation is different when one has an out-of-state reciprocal Florida CCW permit? I was looking at something where there were Highlighted Comments on the law but can't seem to locate it.


I've already provided it, but didn't specifically point it out in the quote. See exception ii below. According to that section, an out-of-state license would not qualify as an exception to the Federal Gun Free School Zone Act:

18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A)
It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(B)
18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

(iii) that is—

(I) not loaded; and

(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;

(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;

(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;

(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or

(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.
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Re: CCW license

Postby JustaShooter » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:10 pm

Stevenof1 wrote:It's really too bad that there's not a 'Stand Your Ground' Law in Ohio where you are never required to retreat.


Agreed, and OFCC is working on it.

Stevenof1 wrote:Also, the Florida CCW law covers switchblade knives and pepper spray.


Agreed, and it is on the list of things OFCC would like to see changed - though, admittedly there are other things higher on the list.
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