Question about a potential student

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Tweed Ring
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Re: Question about a potential student

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There are possible ways to shortcut these classes. I would not have to justify such a bad decision before a judge, a prosecutor, nor a jury.
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Re: Question about a potential student

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I am sure there are many ways to short cut these classes. Why bother even having a class. If one wanted...just sell certificates.

I believe TR, you have a saying....about life and choices...

I will not have anything to explain before a judge or a prosecutor.

Should this person choose to apply, using her previous training....I have nothing in that. The Sheriff probably won't accept the application if whatever she uses doesn't meet the requirements. That is why I've recommended she look into that avenue.

I simply came here to with my question, to see if my understanding of the law is correct. Much like the military dischage with pistol qualification within 10yrs allows that person to not take the class. I believe the OPOTA training does as well. I could be wrong...have been before....will be many more times.

I am not sure where this thread drifted into trying to shortcut the system.... Allow me to repeat.... I will NOT be issuing a certificate for any abridged training that I conduct.
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Re: Question about a potential student

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I used to train a 12 hour defensive baton class. Because the 12 hours typically cost overtime, a number of supervisors or managers asked me to cut the class to 8 hours. I always refused these requests.

Why? My name would be on the certificate of successful completion. No one would know or care, until we went to court. Then, my name would be called, and I would have to explain why I went against the lesson plan. No thanks.

I had one administrator demand I fail a student. I worked very hard with him to ensure he passed the course. I was never invited back to train at that facility, but I did what I knew was right.
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Re: Question about a potential student

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Interesting story...thanks

I have recommended that the prospective concealed carrier contact sheriff's office, with the application and her certificates and see if she meets the requirements established by the law. Then she can determine if she needs the full class. Should she do so, and would like someone to help her with the laws and shadow her at the range, then I will do so. For a nominal fee. Should she need the full class, and can meet my criteria to conduct a class, I am again, willing and ready.

Had hoped someone with knowledge of the OPOTA classes would have responded, instead of storytelling.

Thanks :)
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Re: Question about a potential student

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Oh yeah, I forgot to add...I once taught a ventilation class. The students were eager to get out early. It was on a Saturday afternoon after all, and they weren't being paid to be there...I was...they had paid to be there.

Once I went beyond the lesson plan, and showed then how to disassemble, clean, and reassemble a Sthil chainsaw. They later thanked me.

Its that same approach I take when i instruct a firearms class...

Now I'm telling stories. ..
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Re: Question about a potential student

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fireman, in answer to your question:

I know of a number of people who have used OPOTA certs when obtaining CHLs, in multiple counties, without any other training certs involved.
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