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Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby walnut red » Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:27 pm

My daughter is buying a house in an area which I consider less than desirable, kinda Urban Homesteading. But i considered anything inside of 270 to be less than desirable. My daughter has been shooting all of her life, off and on, and is actually very familiar with firearms. I was thinking of giving her a handgun for a house gun but remembered I have a 20 ga pump with a 22" barrel. Daughter is small, only 5'2" but I have a youth buttstock I can use which may fit her fairly well. Maybe add a flashlight to the shotgun, What do you think?
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby ArmedAviator » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:21 pm

I personally think a pistol would be a better option. Or better yet, an AR if she's familiar.

From the research I've done on penetration ballistics, .223 seem to have less lethality after wall penetration than 9mm and buckshot. Additionally, I think an AR is a great moduler design out of the box for any size frame. Add a flashlight, add a foregrip, add a red dot sight, and have two loaded 30-round mags and you're good to go for superior home defense. Accurate, easy manipulation, and shorter package than the shotgun, albeit probably double the price....

Also, see my thread in Kirchner's Korner that I posted today about home security system and surveillance.
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby Brian D. » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:28 pm

The .223/5.56 is pretty loud when fired indoors, ArmedAviator. Not disagreeing with your ballistics assertions at all though.
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby ArmedAviator » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:32 pm

Brian D. wrote:The .223/5.56 is pretty loud when fired indoors, ArmedAviator. Not disagreeing with your ballistics assertions at all though.


I actually had thought about mentioning this after I had posted above and walked away. This is very true. Although arguably the most effective firearm, it will cause hearing damage in doors (and out doors). Everything has their draw backs :(


Time to guy buy another suppressor....
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby Brian D. » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:39 pm

A carbine of some kind chambered for a handgun caliber is another option to look at. On the other hand, long guns are a little tougher to tactically/safely move around with in close confines.

While I'm ruminating here, let me add that I wish suppressors were just an over-the-counter item like a scope or magazine.
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby ArmedAviator » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:43 pm

Brian D. wrote:A carbine of some kind chambered for a handgun caliber is another option to look at.

A good idea. The longer barrel should also reduce noise.

Brian D. wrote:On the other hand, long guns are a little tougher to tactically/safely move around with in close confines.

Also true, however having two hands on the firearm, one forward and one back, gives to better firearm aiming and control overall.

Brian D. wrote:While I'm ruminating here, let me add that I wish suppressors were just an over-the-counter item like a scope or magazine.

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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby jeep45238 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:01 pm

My wife would kill you. I'd be forever grateful.

For a low round count, easily stored and easily put into action setup, I'd really consider a Sub2000.
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Postby 3FULLMAGS+1 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:05 pm

Brian D. wrote:A carbine of some kind chambered for a handgun caliber is another option to look at. On the other hand, long guns are a little tougher to tactically/safely move around with in close confines.

While I'm ruminating here, let me add that I wish suppressors were just an over-the-counter item like a scope or magazine.


On that note, I have a Scorpion evo 3, (9mm) "pistol" , (not the carbine), fitted with an arm brace, light and laser.

Ya it's no rifle, but it's small and beats having a lot longer firearm to get around the house with when it's close quarters.

I keep the mags loaded w/ +p.

i've got one AR outside the safe and close by also ,but I want to keep my hearing intact too.
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby dl1911 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:26 pm

I keep a set of electronic ear muffs on the nightstand. I hear something go bump in the night, I'll put them on before investigating with any firearm. Turned up I'll hear more and won't have to worry about my hearing. In case of sudden attack, crashing through door, etc. I wouldn't have time but if I do have the time, nice to know they're there.
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby walnut red » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:00 pm

When she was home her closet gun was a pump action 22 mag and a S&W J Frame in 32 long.
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby Chuck » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:13 am

I gave my niece a pistol, holster, and little combination safe for her new place
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby true_pair » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:49 am

I vote for a 12 or 20 ga shotgun with number 4 or 6 shotshells. 556 and 9mm will both go through multiple sheets of drywall and would be lethal.
I seem to remember one of the TV shows covered this topic a few years back. Maybe it was best defense?
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby TSiWRX » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:10 pm

true_pair wrote:I vote for a 12 or 20 ga shotgun with number 4 or 6 shotshells. 556 and 9mm will both go through multiple sheets of drywall and would be lethal.


The balance is always penetration versus lethality. Even now, there is yet a magical bullet which penetrates only the threat, and not anything else.

If the gun is being put into play, the threat must be lethal. This is both a practical as well as a legal consideration.

If the threat is lethal, then we simply need the penetration: penetration is our only guaranty of a physiologic stop.

If penetration is required, then we must be mindful of our shooting lane and the backstop.

And this is no different indoors versus out.
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby DaveT » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:15 pm

For handgun caliber carbine, Ruger's got the new PC9 that has been reviewed and is apparently available some places, but I haven't seen it yet for sale anywhere I've looked online.

9mm, can take Ruger mags or (with a simple swap out) Glock mags.

It's a takedown model, comes with an adjustable ghost ring sight, and rails for optics and/or flashlight/laser/whatever.

You might consider it if a pistol caliber carbine's still on your list.

**Edited to add - and it comes with a threaded barrel - so a silencer could be added easily.
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Re: Ever give a firearm as a house warming gift?

Postby Mr. Glock » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:34 pm

For the maybe-now-or-then shooter, who won’t CC, but will only use it in a high stress situation, simpler is better.

And it must be a reliable firearm.

Simple and Reliable, that’s it.
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