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Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby Bama.45 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:46 pm

I would like to know who I could contact about getting 30-30 Win on the approved deer hunting list. I have researched it and the ballistics for 30-30 win is on the bottom end of "high power" rifle cartridges...It doesn't make a lot of sense that you can use 45-70,.45LC,.44mag and not 30-30 Win. 45-70gov's effective range is double that of 30-30 win. Bullet drop on 30-30 win is over 10 in and by 400yds its in the dirt 3 ft. It also doesn't make sense that 30-30 win is legal to use on any other game animal but deer.

I think this would open hunting up more and the 30-30 is an awesome deer cartridge.
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby Mr. Glock » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:16 pm

Get the 35 Rem approved too, while you are at the ODNR.
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby daveinohio » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:38 pm

Bama.45 wrote:
I think this would open hunting up more and the 30-30 is an awesome deer cartridge.


How exactly would adding the 30-30 open up hunting? Who is being hampered in their pursuit of deer due the prohibition of bottle-necked cartridges?
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby Bama.45 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:34 pm

Because a lot of people have 30-30's and refuse to pay $800 for a rifle that was $500 three years ago..30-30 is one of the oldest hunting rounds and used to be legal everywhere. It's flat stupid that you can hunt coyote and hogs or any other animal besides deer with it.

And Im not advocating opening it up to all bottle necked calibers, a 30-30 performs under or at the same ballistics of the allowed straight walled cartridges.
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby Brian D. » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:19 am

I'm surprised ODNR has opened up choices as much as they have already. They have annual meetings at the district offices (or nearby) about this time of year to discuss regulation changes.
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby WY_Not » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:43 am

My guess is they made the definition they did to keep it simple and easy to understand. Rather than have a list of specific (ever changing) rounds or having to run a bunch of numbers to determine if a bullet is to fast, to small, to big, etc... by sticking to straight walled cartridges they accomplish this and open the useable rounds enough to keep a large number of people happy.
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby daveinohio » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:02 am

$800?

Ruger American 450 bushmaster is $459
Marlin 1895 were $400 a couple months ago

I have a .300 and a .308 I would like to use but not being able to doesn’t reduce my opportunity to effectively kill a deer.
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby WY_Not » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:35 am

Well, by the time you put a scope, flip up scope caps, sling, rifle case, and other accoutrements... Yeah, you basically double the cost of the rifle.

daveinohio wrote:$800?

Ruger American 450 bushmaster is $459
Marlin 1895 were $400 a couple months ago

I have a .300 and a .308 I would like to use but not being able to doesn’t reduce my opportunity to effectively kill a deer.
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby Bruenor » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:49 am

not to forget all the budget minded single shot options on the market.. Handi rifles, mossberg, CVA, Remington, Henry, Traditions
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby Javelin Man » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:22 am

I'd like to see my .480 Ruger cartridge be allowed. The ..475 Limbaugh is and the .480 is just the .475 Light, same diameter and bullet. With still 1300 lb/ft energy, a lot more than a .44 Magnum.
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby Bama.45 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:32 am

My whole tbing is if you can hunt every other game animal in ohio with a 30-30 and other bottle neck rounds, why is it on forbidden for deer? If it's supposed safety precautions that still is about as dumb as a sack of hammers. I believe every state surrounding Ohio allows them besides Indiana (not sure on that one) and you don't hear about accidents happening because of it.
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby Bama.45 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:45 am

daveinohio wrote:$800?

Ruger American 450 bushmaster is $459
Marlin 1895 were $400 a couple months ago

I have a .300 and a .308 I would like to use but not being able to doesn’t reduce my opportunity to effectively kill a deer.



THIS^ is what's wrong with a big section of the gun community. The "It don't affect me so I don't care." crowd. Ok, I get that it doesn't limit you, but it may and probably does others. Sure, I have a 12ga and I have a muzzleloader. I also have a Winchester 94 30-30 that it would be nice to be able to hunt with. Personally I'd like to see all bottle necked rounds allowed. But I can see why they don't want 308 and 300 win mag, because there are idiots that would try 600yd shots.


Besides that I asked for information on who to petition or address this to. I didn't ask for you to rail about how you don't care because it don't affect you..Good, bravo for you...But this isn't about you. It's about opening up access to people that may only have a 30-30, or may only like the round for hunting..I have spoken to several people that have said they'd like to see 30-30 win allowed.
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Let me die in a pile of empty brass."
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby Chuck » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:57 am

Contact Dillon Sportsmen’s Center and talk to their manager, Dan, whose last name escapes me at the moment.
He goes by Buckeye Dan on the BFA forums, but I don’t know if he still frequents that site (does anybody?)

He was the grassroots driving force behind getting the straight walled rifle cartridges approved and has lots of good contacts at ODNR and others, and what’s more, the last time I saw him he was looking for a gun or hunting project to work on. IMHO, everybody who uses a rifle in Ohio owes him a big thank you.

If I were you, I’d get ahold of him.
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby Bama.45 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:07 pm

Thanks Chuck, I will try to get in touch with him.
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Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
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And Lord, if today is truly the day you call me home
Let me die in a pile of empty brass."
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Re: Who to contact about getting a hunting round approved?

Postby willbird » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:44 am

Begs the question if 30-30 is allowed why not 300 Blackout ?? Suppressors are allowed now. We can hope that it will evolve over time. IN did over time...at one time bottle necks were allowed but there was a limit to case length. They just recently liberated things on private land at least.

I think in Ohio some success was made with ODNR pointing out some of the smokeless muzzle loader stuff avail like the Swinglock as just one example. I would bet Savage will be along any day with an Axis or some such in 450BM with it being legal in OH, IN, and MI and that market recently opening up.

Co worker bought a 450BM Ruger bolt action. 458 SOCOMM is probably a better AR round than the BM but illegal because it has a neck :-).

Really a 243 would be safer than some bigger bore setup that more or less has to use a heavier bullet in order to get a decent Ballistic coefficient....and would do double duty for varmints too.

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