Army Chief: Infantry Needs New 7.62mm Rifle (?)

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Re: Army Chief: Infantry Needs New 7.62mm Rifle (?)

Postby BEAR! » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:01 pm

I'll stick with my phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. :wink:
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Re: Army Chief: Infantry Needs New 7.62mm Rifle (?)

Postby Javelin Man » Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:35 am

BEAR! wrote:I'll stick with my phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. :wink:


40 watts, is that set to tickle? Tickle Taser? Giggle Gun? :lol:
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Re: Army Chief: Infantry Needs New 7.62mm Rifle (?)

Postby JimE » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:05 pm

Would that be a "giggle watt " ?
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Re: Army Chief: Infantry Needs New 7.62mm Rifle (?)

Postby CCIman » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:21 pm

Undoubtedly, our guys are/were being killed by 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 rounds - are the rounds penetrating personal armor, or are these not getting through body armor and hitting exposed areas and causing deaths by wound aggregation?

Unfortunately if military has it and proves it, we and criminals on the street can get it too, or make it, so up the ante for LE agencies to improve body armor to the next level.
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Re: Army Chief: Infantry Needs New 7.62mm Rifle (?)

Postby glocksmith » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:44 am

CCIman wrote:Unfortunately if military has it and proves it, we and criminals on the street can get it too, or make it, so up the ante for LE agencies to improve body armor to the next level.


Not really. The 7.62 NATO is like 60 years old or something. It's been with us all along. I used to have Vietnam-era black tip surplus ammo back in the late 1980's. No cop in their right mind is going to want to wear that level of protection - especially in hot climates. They're more concerned with defeating the common "street" weapons in the common calibers, anyway.
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Re: Army Chief: Infantry Needs New 7.62mm Rifle (?)

Postby CCIman » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:47 pm

Common street criminals can wear ar500 plates, and carry AK pistols. What does LE currently typically carry, and wear?
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Re: Army Chief: Infantry Needs New 7.62mm Rifle (?)

Postby glocksmith » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:21 am

CCIman wrote:Common street criminals can wear ar500 plates, and carry AK pistols. What does LE currently typically carry, and wear?


Well, I would guess that most of them carry stolen handguns, mostly semi-autos in the usual handgun calibers. As for "common street criminals" wearing AR500 plates and carrying AK pistols...I doubt there's anything common about that. Your one-upsmanship concept of "anything you can carry, I can carry bigger and better" would not work very well for law enforcement. What would the cops need to carry to match or exceed the firepower of an AK pistol? And try walking around all day in the Summer heat while wearing a heavy steel plate strapped to your chest...along with all your other gear. Its a known fact that some officers in Florida and other hot climates occasionally ditch their issued body armor for Level I or none at all. Even cops have to make compromises.
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