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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby miker » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:31 pm

I don’t mean to dig up an old thread but has anybody heard anything on these shockwaves from a legal standpoint?

I was at a local dealer yesterday who said these are 100% legal and they have sold over 100 of them. And also said if they were illegal mossberg would not be shipping to them directly and they would have got in trouble if they were illegal.

I then called another ffl dealer who said he has also sold a bunch.
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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby DontTreadOnMe » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:04 pm

miker wrote:I don’t mean to dig up an old thread but has anybody heard anything on these shockwaves from a legal standpoint?

Nothing definitive. Lots of local shops have been told by their local PD they're okay. Others have been told otherwise. The AGs office hasn't released a public statement.

miker wrote:I was at a local dealer yesterday who said these are 100% legal and they have sold over 100 of them. And also said if they were illegal mossberg would not be shipping to them directly and they would have got in trouble if they were illegal.

They were available for sale in Texas even though the legislature agreed they needed to change their laws to make them legal there. They were also available in Oregon for a couple months before the OSP Firearms Unit put a halt to sales.

Palmetto State Armory still states Not For Sale for Residents of Ohio and Buds Gun Shop states ***We're currently not shipping this firearm to CA, NY, MA, or OH***

That doesn't mean they aren't legal. It means there's a legitimate question about their legality and those companies are operating on the side of caution. The TX and OR examples are just to show that just because something is being sold doesn't preclude it from later being clarified as illegal.
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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby miker » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:33 pm

So let’s just say they do come out and say they are illegal in ohio unless you get more liscensing or tax stamp.

What happens to all the people who bought them legally through a liscensed ffl dealer?

FYI I just went to brownells and they will ship them to ohio.
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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby JimE » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:46 pm

It is legal for a FFL to sell an AR15 to a FFl in New York, but the receiving FFl cannot sell it to a resident of New York, he must sell & ship to someone out of state.
Mossberg will ship to Ohio FFl's, but it is up to the receiver to make sure the sale is legal in Ohio, if it is sold in Ohio.
It all boils down to :
1-How comfortable are you with the sale.
2-How good is your attorney.
3-How deep is your wallet if you need the attorney .
The state law is written so poorly, a really aggressive prosecutor can mess up your life in a hurry if it ends up in the wrong hands.
Until DeWine issues a determination, or the legislators fix it (we are not in Texas, so maybe in 10 years)), a lot of dealers are not going to risk it, right or wrong.
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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby willbird » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:36 am

miker wrote:So let’s just say they do come out and say they are illegal in ohio unless you get more liscensing or tax stamp.

What happens to all the people who bought them legally through a liscensed ffl dealer?

FYI I just went to brownells and they will ship them to ohio.


The Calico high capacity guns were illegal in Ohio too and some were sold here by FFL.

If the AG ruled the Shockwave was a "sawed off firearm" under ORC then the people would them already IMHO would have to remove the barrels and store the barrels somewhere there was no receiver it would fit onto, or perm attach a muzzle extension.

The dealers are STUPID to sell them because each sale is a crime in Ohio IMHO. They are required by law to keep a bound book record of their crimes in this case.

Even if the law were changed unless it had a blanket exemption included for sales and possession prior to the law change the criminal offenses would still be valid, what the law WAS on the date of sale decides if it was a criminal act or not.

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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby Brian D. » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:50 pm

Can't understand why the AG hasn't issued an opinion on this topic yet. It's not because nobody asked. (Yes, I know they aren't required to answer questions from the public at large, didn't mean to imply it was me who asked.)

And as for the Ohio House/Senate doing anything about it? Puh-leeze! Gimme a break.
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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby ESAFO » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:54 pm

Talked to a local dealer yesterday asking if there's any news about this, she said they have a bunch of them sitting in there back room just waiting for the OK.
Actually called around different dealers to inquire & yes they are selling them, if there out they had no problem putting you on a waiting list.
With Texas being approved starting Sep 1rst she said it should'nt be too long after that before we're good to go, but who knows we will just have to wait & see.
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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby DontTreadOnMe » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:49 pm

ESAFO wrote:With Texas being approved starting Sep 1rst she said it should'nt be too long after that before we're good to go, but who knows we will just have to wait & see.

The status only changed in Texas because their legislature changed their laws. Without a strong push the Ohio legislature won't do anything about this.
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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby BEAR! » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:48 pm

I saw that in late October that Mossberg was releasing a 20 guage version of the shckwave.

I wish that Ohio would allow these to be owned here because they sure look like fun. :mrgreen:
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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby willbird » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:43 am

BEAR! wrote:I saw that in late October that Mossberg was releasing a 20 guage version of the shckwave.

I wish that Ohio would allow these to be owned here because they sure look like fun. :mrgreen:


Well an AOW is only a $5 tax :-).....then wait for the transfer to traverse BATFE.

IMHO an AOW is wayyyyyy cooler :-).

https://www.mossberg.com/product/500-co ... aow-51697/

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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby scottb » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:41 am

Well an AOW is only a $5 tax :-).....then wait for the transfer to traverse BATFE.

IMHO an AOW is wayyyyyy cooler :-).


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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby scottb » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:46 am

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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby JustaShooter » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:34 am

If you really want one of these, they are certainly available from some gun shops, you may just have to look around. But until the legalities are settled I'd recommend getting a Dangerous Ordnance license: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.18v1
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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby willbird » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:13 pm

JustaShooter wrote:If you really want one of these, they are certainly available from some gun shops, you may just have to look around. But until the legalities are settled I'd recommend getting a Dangerous Ordnance license: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.18v1



That is a "may issue" license, depends on what your county sheriff decides yay or nay.

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Re: No Mossberg shockwave for Ohio?

Postby Glock Rock » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:31 pm

ORC 2923.11(F): ""Sawed-off firearm" means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall."


A few months on anyone get charged with a felony yet? Without a law change we need some case law.
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