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Post by SMMAssociates »

Well, my avatar is a Para Tac-Four. "Heavy clothing" carry....

I just picked up an S&W CS45 but don't have a picture yet. It's kind of a fat PPK/S in .45 ACP. That's for "light clothing" carry.

Not to mention a PPK/S for "very light clothing", and an S&W M61 Escort for "no clothing"....

(Well, not really, no clothing, but.... It's a derringer-style six-shot semi that S&W barely admits to ever have made. .22LR.)

I'll post some pics RSN.

Great idea to ask for 'em BTW.

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SMMAssociates wrote: Not to mention a PPK/S for "very light clothing",

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PPKS.....outstanding design.....get one chambered for 9x18....aka....Polish 'Makarov'.

.32 acp or .380 is good, but 9mm Makarov is much better!!!
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Petrofergov:

I'd forgotten all about those things....

Three or four weeks ago I wandered into my favorite gun shop to look for a compact 9mm, and almost made a deal on an S&W when one of the guys suggested: "Would you take a used one?"

Given the demented state of managment there, I figured I'd have to chip off the rust with a jackhammer to save $50, but being married with children (one of which is a hungry puppy who appears to have stopped growing), I had to look.

He showed me the S&W CS45. It was alleged that it was the owner's personal carry for a while (possible), but mostly it was at least $100 cheaper and looked to be in good shape.

Fortunately, I chose to clean it before test-firing - dust bunnies big enough to choke my dog, and some mummified grease in places that should have required dynamite and a mule to get to, but it's great, and a .45! 6+1, too. It is a lot fatter than the PPK/S, but weighs about exactly the same, and has the same general form factor. Wasn't really a hard choice....

I already have an "original" Interarms imported PPK/S anyway, so I didn't need another one. (Note "need"; "want" is always a constant.) This thing shoots so much more comfortably than the Walther that I'd be tempted to sell it. Ain't gonna do that, though! :)

Can't recall what Web forum I was in, but I mentioned it and somebody else suggested a Makarov. Too late....

(I had my gunsmith add a set of XS night sights to the thing. I need to get more time with it, but it's good that way, too. The original mini-Novak's were OK, too.)

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Dan:

"Desktop Wallpaper"? The last time something fell off it you had to bang it on a desk top and use a piece of wall paper to get it to stick??
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A few of mine.
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This was my first Para LTC. It has the alloy frame that only weighs 28 oz. I carry it when I don't carry the stainless LTC.

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Petrofergov wrote:I always get a kick out of comparing the XD series to glocks. They have many features in common such as reliability, accuracy and so on.

The XD series has the glocks beat for two reasons...safety features and price.

An XD will cost you anywhere from 50 to 100 bucks less than a glock.

An XD also has 5 safety features as opposed to glock's two.

1. Trigger safety
2. grip safety
3. loaded chamber indicator
4. striker status indicator
5. internal firing pin safety

The glock's trigger safety, IMO, isn't as nicely done as the XD. The glock simply catches on part of the external frame. The XD trigger safety catches inside the frame. The glock does have an internal firing pin safety.

Personally, I think glocks are over-rated/overpriced.


And personally, I say you need to get your facts straight. Glocks have THREE safeties, not two. As far as Glocks being over-rated... there's an awful good reason why 75% of the nation's law enforcement agencies use Glocks. Actually, there are many good reasons why. Now, should I carry on about how the Glock's tennifer finish simply can't be beat? I'll always gladly spend an extra 50 bucks to buy a firearm that won't show blemishes after a few presentations from my holster. If superior quality isn't important to you, then by all means... continue to bash Glocks.
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Petrofergov wrote:I always get a kick out of comparing the XD series to glocks. They have many features in common such as reliability, accuracy and so on.

The XD series has the glocks beat for two reasons...safety features and price.

An XD will cost you anywhere from 50 to 100 bucks less than a glock.

An XD also has 5 safety features as opposed to glock's two.

1. Trigger safety
2. grip safety
3. loaded chamber indicator
4. striker status indicator
5. internal firing pin safety

The glock's trigger safety, IMO, isn't as nicely done as the XD. The glock simply catches on part of the external frame. The XD trigger safety catches inside the frame. The glock does have an internal firing pin safety.

Personally, I think glocks are over-rated/overpriced.
Sorry, you are poorly informed.

Glocks have three safeties.

Why do you need a loaded chamber indicator? Why do you consider it a safety? You should ALWAYS treat every firearm as if it was loaded. Not sure if the gun is loaded when you pick it up? Check the chamber and the Mag.

Glocks have no need for a striker status indicator. IF there is a round in the chamber, the gun will go bang when and only when you pull the trigger.


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And, personally, I hope this board doesn't become another us vs. them board for glocks vs. the world. :) Or XDs vs. glocks.

We all have personal reasons why we choose a weapon. I've heard people say that plastic guns don't look good, but as I was getting out my Walther P99 AS this morning, I thought it's a pretty cool looking gun. I may even post a picture this weekend. And, In My Opinion, I chose it over other guns because I liked the way it fit my hand, and I liked the AS trigger, and after I did my own research instead of listening to people lob back and forth about which is better, I decided it was a great gun for me. I've only had it a few months, but so far, I still really like it and wouldn't trade it for a Glock, an XD or a 1911. But that's just my opinion.. and instead of trading, I may end up just buying others later to compare.
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Loaded chamber indicators were invented and pushed as being a safety feature by people who don't know squat about guns. I have no problem with them being on a gun, but I would never pick one gun over another because it has a loaded chamber indicator. I would personally never look at it or check it. I always assume the gun is loaded and if I wanted to confirm that the gun is unloaded before cleaning or dry fire practice, I would drop the mag, rack the slide, and do a thorough visual inspection of the chamber.
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CurtInOhio wrote:And, personally, I hope this board doesn't become another us vs. them board for glocks vs. the world. :) Or XDs vs. glocks.


I can assure you that I and the rest of the mods will never let it become that way. I am a whatever works guy who has carried 1911's, Glocks, and wheelguns and who owns a wide range of firearms. Collin is an XD fondler and 1911 addict. Cable (Dan) is a Beretta nut. (for which he takes constant good natured ribbing from certain team leaders) I can't remember what Jeff is, I think he likes Glocks.

Rest assured this site is about Ohio CCW discussion first and foremost. We can all talk about this vs that, share opinions, and rag on each other in a good natured way as long as we keep it clean and civil.
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Brian_Horton wrote:Cable (Dan) is a Beretta nut. (for which he takes constant good natured ribbing from certain team leaders)
Hey now, he can't help it that you are all jealous of his fine taste in firearms! :wink:
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Here's my current favorite. I put it together from a stag lower receiver and a dpms upper.

I'm getting groups I can cover with my thumb, at 100 yards, at point of aim with factory ammo (silver bear milspec).

The scope is a 3-9x40 sightron.
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1. Trigger safety
2. grip safety
3. loaded chamber indicator
4. striker status indicator
5. internal firing pin safety
Actually, I find the loaded chamber indicator to be a waste of engineering. All guns should be treated as loaded. Same thing with a striker status indicator. What do these two things have in common with true gun safety? Absolutely nothing, that's what.

For a defense gun, I want it to shoot in the instant I pull the trigger, not once I disengage 5 different devices, all which give you a false sense of security, and may make you unable to outdraw a bad guy.

True gun safety is a pattern of conduct and respect toward firearms, not a mechanical device.
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Glock and dagger wrote:
1. Trigger safety
2. grip safety
3. loaded chamber indicator
4. striker status indicator
5. internal firing pin safety
Actually, I find the loaded chamber indicator to be a waste of engineering. All guns should be treated as loaded. Same thing with a striker status indicator. What do these two things have in common with true gun safety? Absolutely nothing, that's what.

For a defense gun, I want it to shoot in the instant I pull the trigger, not once I disengage 5 different devices, all which give you a false sense of security, and may make you unable to outdraw a bad guy.

True gun safety is a pattern of conduct and respect toward firearms, not a mechanical device.
Absolutely!

First of all, let me explain to you that all 5 of the safety features on the XD do not require any purposeful act to disengage. The grip safety and the trigger safety disengage automatically when the gun is properly held and fired. The internal firing pin safety also disengages automatically when the gun is fired. Incidently, the people at glock happen to think a trigger safety and internal firing pin safety are important enough to put into their products.

The presence of the loaded chamber indicator and the striker status indicator provide visual and tactile confirmation of the weapon's status. Agreed, it should in no way replace visually inspecting the chamber before declaring a weapon clear.

As far as the engineering, these are inexpensive enhancements that only add one more layer of safety. I'm all for safety....the more the better.

I consider glocks and XD's to be peers. However, the added safety features and lower purchase price of the XD's wins my favor.

This is also the gun I acquired for my wife as a self defense firearm since she doesn't carry.
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