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Re: Sig P320C review

Postby Brian D. » Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:56 pm

pirateguy191 wrote:+P+ Do the recommend it?


Most firearms makers don't. Then again the owners manuals strongly advise not to keep a round in the chamber. Blah blah blah.
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Re: Sig P320C review

Postby Mr. Glock » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:14 pm

Federal Hyda-Shoks? Move out of the 1980s and get some HSTs (or Speer Gold Dots). :P
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Re: Sig P320C review

Postby Morne » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:20 am

Mr. Glock wrote:Federal Hyda-Shoks? Move out of the 1980s and get some HSTs (or Speer Gold Dots). :P

Agreed
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Re: Sig P320C review

Postby Brian D. » Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:53 am

Morne wrote:
Mr. Glock wrote:Federal Hyda-Shoks? Move out of the 1980s and get some HSTs (or Speer Gold Dots). :P

Agreed


Pshaw. Good shot placement and random dumb luck play bigger roles than just which particular, newest and most improvedest hollow points you choose. And (Morne fo sho knows this) anybody who believes factory listed velocity as the truth, take your blinders off already! You'll need both eyes open when you buy and start using a chronograph.
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Re: Sig P320C review

Postby Morne » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:19 am

Just found out that the municipality nearest to my rural country estate will be switching to the 320 for their police department issue guns. Apparently, the modular nature of it is quite a selling point for the cops. I can see how it would be nice for everyone to have the same "gun" but make it so the Chief and undercover guys sport the subcompacts while patrol cops have the carry/full size and whatever grip module works best for each of their hand size. :idea:
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Re: Sig P320C review

Postby pirateguy191 » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:57 am

Morne wrote:Just found out that the municipality nearest to my rural country estate will be switching to the 320 for their police department issue guns. Apparently, the modular nature of it is quite a selling point for the cops. I can see how it would be nice for everyone to have the same "gun" but make it so the Chief and undercover guys sport the subcompacts while patrol cops have the carry/full size and whatever grip module works best for each of their hand size. :idea:



Pretty sure that's why the P250 was created also. That worked out well.
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Re: Sig P320C review

Postby Mr. Glock » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:00 am

The trigger on the 250 was a big hindrance, but the modular concept is pretty good though. A LEO department could say, You need to carry the 4" in 9mm, and the the individual officer can pick the frame that fits best.
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Re: Sig P320C review

Postby Morne » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:07 am

The trigger on the 320 is pretty nice.
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Re: Sig P320C review

Postby Mr. Glock » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:12 am

Brian D. wrote:
Morne wrote:
Mr. Glock wrote:Federal Hyda-Shoks? Move out of the 1980s and get some HSTs (or Speer Gold Dots). :P

Agreed


Pshaw. Good shot placement and random dumb luck play bigger roles than just which particular, newest and most improvedest hollow points you choose. And (Morne fo sho knows this) anybody who believes factory listed velocity as the truth, take your blinders off already! You'll need both eyes open when you buy and start using a chronograph.


I'm going to have to disagree....a little. I do agree with your general point, that all good premium JHP bullets will do a decent job and thus shot placement is critical.

However, when it comes to the Hydra-Shok, this does not apply, in the modern design sense.

The Hyda-Shok was a development directly related to the Miami 1986 shootout, and hit the market in 1988. The FBI rejected this round and went with the 10mm and the 40. Although the thing you are thinking in your head is true -yea, but we all know they blamed the 9mm rather than more relevant factors- the overall point is valid that the Hydra-Shok is not a modern bullet and, although a good round in 1988, time and things like CAD have passed it by.

You can't both say "The 9mm is a valid round today because of improved modern bullets" since the 1986 shootout and "The Hydra-Shok is one of those great modern bullets"
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Re: Sig P320C review

Postby Brian D. » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:44 am

Mr. Glock wrote:
I'm going to have to disagree....a little. I do agree with your general point, that all good premium JHP bullets will do a decent job and thus shot placement is critical.

However, when it comes to the Hydra-Shok, this does not apply, in the modern design sense.

The Hyda-Shok was a development directly related to the Miami 1986 shootout, and hit the market in 1988. The FBI rejected this round and went with the 10mm and the 40. Although the thing you are thinking in your head is true -yea, but we all know they blamed the 9mm rather than more relevant factors- the overall point is valid that the Hydra-Shok is not a modern bullet and, although a good round in 1988, time and things like CAD have passed it by.

You can't both say "The 9mm is a valid round today because of improved modern bullets" since the 1986 shootout and "The Hydra-Shok is one of those great modern bullets"


Sure I can. Heck, I still load my .45 Colt revolver with 225 grain Winchester Silvertips on the rare occasion defensive rounds are needed for that gun. Shot placement and random dumb luck. To sound more smarterer I call it The RDL Factor. All handgun rounds are a crap shoot at stopping people.
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Re: Sig P320C review

Postby Brian D. » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:47 am

Besides, I'm pretty sure Hydra-Shoks have been revamped/redesigned/"improved" since intro.
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Re: Range Reports

Postby Javelin Man » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:18 pm

I just acquired a Sig P290 and am unimpressed so far. I am comparing it to my Kahr CM9 which is lighter and has a nicer smoother trigger. The Sig does have a nice stippled grip and comes with a 6 and 8 round magazine. It also comes with a paddle holster which doesn't really grip the gun.

Supposedly this is DAO, not striker fired. As you pull the long trigger, the hammer comes out the back and slams back in upon release of the trigger with a long trigger reset.

Of course, if I decide to sell this gun, it's the nicest pistol I've ever held and the extra weight in the slide is a super benefit to the gun and the paddle holster allows quick and easy release!
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Re: Range Reports

Postby NavyChief » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:53 pm

Javelin Man wrote:Of course, if I decide to sell this gun, it's the nicest pistol I've ever held and the extra weight in the slide is a super benefit to the gun and the paddle holster allows quick and easy release!


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STI Spartan III

Postby NavyChief » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:27 pm

Hit the range today with the STI Spartan III. Ran about 200 rounds through it - about 90 S&B 124-gr FMJ, 30 Federal 147-gr HP, 50 Estate (no idea - picked 'em up on close-out at MCSports going out of business sale) 115-gr FMJ, and 30 Federal 115-gr FMJ. It digested everything with exactly one hiccup - a failure to extract the third round of the second mag (the Federal 115-gr). All in all I'm well pleased with this dandy little pistol. Ran into one oddity though - the quicker I touched off the rounds the tighter my groups were. That makes no particular sense to me. Of course, overall I still suck - but all my rounds would hit the bad guy, so there is that.

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Re: STI Spartan III

Postby TSiWRX » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:36 pm

NavyChief wrote:Ran into one oddity though - the quicker I touched off the rounds the tighter my groups were. That makes no particular sense to me. Of course, overall I still suck - but all my rounds would hit the bad guy, so there is that.


Don't sell yourself short. :)

That's a great observation, and I actually don't think that it's at all that odd.

I think that maybe by shooting faster, you're actually stopping yourself from overthinking the sight package while unconsciously reinforcing your grip (which, of-course, is huge, where it comes to recoil control). Inside the 15 yard line, that can actually make a noticeable difference in the group, assuming that your execution of the trigger path is consistent (which apparently it is). Oftentimes, given more time, we start to really hunt for that "perfect" or simply "better' sight picture even though we know better, and thus end up actually with a worse end-result than what we would otherwise be capable of.

To confirm, try shooting a cadence drill (those 2 x 5" target boxes, three on an 8 and 1/2 by 11 sheet of paper), and see if your groups don't actually tighten up as you start accelerating your pace.

But now that you know what you're doing wrong when you're shooting slower, I bet you can shoot better there, too, right? :wink: :)
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